Genuine WW2 Luftwaffe Leather Greatcoat?

[pyrohd]

Well Chaps,

Many thanks for all your expert comment - I'm impressed by your wealth of knowledge.

I can rest assured that it is the genuine article and can't think why the other guy tried to convince me it was post-war ....... maybe because he knows I'm selling off most of my collection!!?

Any ideas where I could sell this coat - for the proper price - in the UK?

Thanks again,

Tony

[JasonA]

I can rest assured that it is the genuine article and can't think why the other guy tried to convince me it was post-war ....... maybe because he knows I'm selling off most of my collection!!?

Yes, you can rest assured. Don't know why the other guy might have tried to convince you otherwise. Hopefully it's not for for the reasons you mentioned...he likely just doesn't know. People need to focus nowadays. There's too much to know about too many things. Nobody can know everything.

J-

[frank savage]

Hi there!

I agree with the other guys! Is a wartime coat by my side also... I wouldn't be so sure that the buttons are a post war addiction. As the RZM catalogue shows has accustomed us, these cloth was privately purchased and the tailors gave a big choice to the buyers. One of this choice was about the buttons, and they would have been as that on the Phyrod coat.

Take a look at the buttons of the leather coat wear by Galland on this famous pic and a close up of these on my LW leather coat...

[stonemint]

Frank, yours buttons are wartime. I have seen them in pics and on what I considered to be untouched coats (they seem to have been worn mostly by the LW).

The one that started this thread has thicker, leather covered buttons. I would expect them to match the leather of the coat in color, but that's just me.

[phild]

The buttons often confuse people. The ones shown in the period photos above and the current close up are what many call "football" pattern buttons and they are made of metal with this simulate woven leather pattern impressed on them. They are period and were orginal for a lot of these leather coats.

I agree that they are mostly seen on LW worn Leather coats, but Himmler wore these on his leather OC as did other SS officers. I own a KM RKT's leather overcoat and it too has (and always has) these type buttons as well.

The thing about the orginal detachable leather OC buttons (either pebbeled or football pattern) is that the shanks are thicker and longer than found on standard buttons, in fact the shanks come in 2 lengths with the functional buttons having even longer shanks than the non-functional row on the left side...so the coats had two different lengths of button shanks on them when sold.

Some leather OC's had sew on buttons so they are like the ones on cloth OC's.

The coat that is the subject of this thread appears to have actual leather woven buttons on it and not the metal football pattern. These could be period replacements or post war, but I doubt that they came on that coat when purchased. It's like everthing else, you have to look carfully at the age and other characteristics of something like those buttons and you may can make a call on them . Replacement buttons would not bother me much, but a set of the orginal pattern will be hard to find and expensive....I've seen dealers who knew what they were asking $20 each for them.

[stonemint]

I added 3 more coats to the thread. The last one I posted (not mine) has a really neat feature I had not seen before:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=277799&page=6

[stonemint]

The buttons often confuse people. The ones shown in the period photos above and the current close up are what many call "football" pattern buttons and they are made of metal with this simulate woven leather pattern impressed on them. They are period and were orginal for a lot of these leather coats.

I agree that they are mostly seen on LW worn Leather coats, but Himmler wore these on his leather OC as did other SS officers. I own a KM RKT's leather overcoat and it too has (and always has) these type buttons as well.

The thing about the orginal detachable leather OC buttons (either pebbeled or football pattern) is that the shanks are thicker and longer than found on standard buttons, in fact the shanks come in 2 lengths with the functional buttons having even longer shanks than the non-functional row on the left side...so the coats had two different lengths of button shanks on them when sold.

Some leather OC's had sew on buttons so they are like the ones on cloth OC's.

The coat that is the subject of this thread appears to have actual leather woven buttons on it and not the metal football pattern. These could be period replacements or post war, but I doubt that they came on that coat when purchased. It's like everthing else, you have to look carfully at the age and other characteristics of something like those buttons and you may can make a call on them . Replacement buttons would not bother me much, but a set of the orginal pattern will be hard to find and expensive....I've seen dealers who knew what they were asking $20 each for them.

Phild, I agree---I think at the Max there was a dealer who wanted $340 for a full unissued set of the metal football buttons several years ago.

PS--glad to see I am not the only one who appreciates these fine garments...

[Harry]

If the buttons are post-war, there would be nothing wrong in replacing them with standard pebbled coat buttons - these were also period used and are more readily obtainable.

[frank savage]

Hallo, Stonemint!

Frank, yours buttons are wartime. I have seen them in pics and on what I considered to be untouched coats (they seem to have been worn mostly by the LW).

Yep, I know! And I agree on what you write!

The one that started this thread has thicker, leather covered buttons. I would expect them to match the leather of the coat in color, but that's just me.

That's true... You're right! The leather covered buttons are quite more doubtable put among the WWII production. Even if is difficult take off for sure!


Hi, Harry!

If the buttons are post-war, there would be nothing wrong in replacing them with standard pebbled coat buttons - these were also period used and are more readily obtainable.

I agree with you too! The pebbled coat buttons would be easily founded and detachable... without too many problems!

Best,