Scho-ka-kola,question...

[Sergey65]

Hi all,

war or post-war production?

Thanks
Sergey

[fw_190]

Nach dem Krieg.

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[Albert]

Not sure about that. Top is of the first design, 1935, bottom features the DRWZ mark. Unless I am missing something, I see nothing that makes this can post war. Could you please explain.

[fw_190]

DRWZ und DRP blieben unter der Besatzungszeit bis 1949 erhalten und wurden bis in die 50 angewendet, bis Bundes Deutsche Regelungen kamen.

Hier ein Zitat aus dem Internet:

The acronym D.R.W.Z. with or without punctuation stands for Deutsches Reichswarenzeichen, meaning that an item marked as such was officially registered under trademark laws inside all of the Germany states and not only locally registered as it was the case before the introduction of centralized registration. Note that many people quote this acronym as standing for Deutsches Reich Warenzeichen, which is grammatically wrong and also ommits the letter 's' after Reich. This results in shifting the weight of pronounciation on 'Deutsches Reich' alone, but this acronym has nothing to do with the Third Reich as many sellers want to imply so to catch the attention of certain 'collectors'.

D.R.W.Z. registrations were introduced 1891 and if you are dating items you should hold in mind that even during Allied occupation up until 1949, registration procedures remained untouched and still used the D.R.W.Z. registration documents, which of course explains why such marks can be found on products actually manufactured up until 1952 as the registration itself was valid for three years. As from the end of October 1952, all registrations were definately marked as 'Deutsches Bundeswarenzeichen' (D.B.W.Z.) or simply 'Eingetragenes Warenzeichen'.


Die Dosen vor und im Krieg hatten links und rechts ein Eichenlaub. bei den Dosen nach 1945 war dort eine Krone.

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[Sergey65]

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danke

Sergey

[stonemint]

DRWZ und DRP blieben unter der Besatzungszeit bis 1949 erhalten und wurden bis in die 50 angewendet, bis Bundes Deutsche Regelungen kamen.

Hier ein Zitat aus dem Internet:

The acronym D.R.W.Z. with or without punctuation stands for Deutsches Reichswarenzeichen, meaning that an item marked as such was officially registered under trademark laws inside all of the Germany states and not only locally registered as it was the case before the introduction of centralized registration. Note that many people quote this acronym as standing for Deutsches Reich Warenzeichen, which is grammatically wrong and also ommits the letter 's' after Reich. This results in shifting the weight of pronounciation on 'Deutsches Reich' alone, but this acronym has nothing to do with the Third Reich as many sellers want to imply so to catch the attention of certain 'collectors'.

D.R.W.Z. registrations were introduced 1891 and if you are dating items you should hold in mind that even during Allied occupation up until 1949, registration procedures remained untouched and still used the D.R.W.Z. registration documents, which of course explains why such marks can be found on products actually manufactured up until 1952 as the registration itself was valid for three years. As from the end of October 1952, all registrations were definately marked as 'Deutsches Bundeswarenzeichen' (D.B.W.Z.) or simply 'Eingetragenes Warenzeichen'.


Die Dosen vor und im Krieg hatten links und rechts ein Eichenlaub. bei den Dosen nach 1945 war dort eine Krone.

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Great information, and thanks for providing it. I have had trouble convincing collectors that "DRP" (Deutsche Reichspatent) continued to be used until at least 1950 for the same reasons.

[Albert]

I am sorry if I come across as stubborn, but I am still not convinced. I know what all those old acronyms stand for and am well aware of their use well into the fifties and probably beyond. However, in this case it is just one of several things to consider.

Did a quick search and found this:

http://www.scho-ka-kola.de/2.13.13.V...shistorie.html

Acc. to the Scho-Ka-Kola site, this is their first design. The cans with the oak leafs were the Wehrmacht issue ones. Those had a different text and featured the year in the center. Also acc. to their site, the plant was bombed out during the was and resumed production at some time in the fifties.

[HGL]

Definitely pre WW2 civilian type which came out since 1935 ! Post war cans are different.

[fw_190]

Ihr habt Recht. Die Internetseite der Firma Hildebrand belegt es, das ist die 1 Form der Dose. Es scheint dann verändert worden zu sein, als es bei der Wehrmacht ausgegeben wurde.

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