N&G googles

[werner]

Hi buddies,

What do you think about those googles ?









Thanks
Ron

[Jos L C]

IMO these aren't good, it's not the last run of fakes, but the one before that ..
Some will call them Finnish postwar N&G, but I think they're just fake.
They've issues, the strap is Czech for sure, the hinges aren't for the 2nd type rigid frame and the frame is too small, the lenses have the wrong angle and won't fit real N&G.
Goggles, booklet and box are no good.
About 2-3 years ago Ebay was loaded with these, together with the rubber Summer and Winter type goggles which also came in cardboard boxes with wrong labels etc..
A lot of these fake goggles found their way to collectors and most will not even notice.

Jos.

[werner]

Thanks Jos,
One more time, i'm impressed by your knowledge in this minefield.

Thanks,

That's because this field is mine ..

N&G always have my interest.

Jos.

Oh boy, replied into your reply, which deleted your reply for a part .., it's a edit function that can happen when not paying attention, but no harm..

[jim murray]

N&g

Hi jos, had a look at pics, agree on strap, box book, all wrong, they have been around for some time the age of the frames looks good, when do you think they were made. I dont think the last few years, look at the wear, could these be ground dug, and had all parts added after. If the fakers made these would they not fit the wright hinge! plus all other parts near mint, except the frame all very strange, but i would not put anything past the fakers they know as much as we do. Jim

[werner]

I knew the box and the book were fake.
The strap was to new as well but i was hoping the frame was maybe good.

Jos, do not abuse with your extra powers on my comments !

[Jos L C]

Hi Jim,

Don't know why they used the wrong hinges, probably spare hinges of the fake 3rd type of same maker..
That's why I call them the run before the last run, with the last run they used the proper hinges, this means when seen from a distance, in close-up the hinges don't fit properly and the hinges and screw are too fat.
The frame is also a tiny bit larger, but in close-up it shows tool marks not found on originals, again same boxes and booklet.
This proves that they're constantly trying to improve these types and IMO these goggles are not older than 5 years.
The 2nd type originally came with smoked lenses, in few cases these were changed by the wearer to clear lenses, so why have all these 2nd types in question all of a sudden clear lenses from the start ??
Probably because clear glass is easier to get/make than the special color ultra-sin ones ..

Jos.

[Jos L C]

I knew the box and the book were fake.
The strap was to new as well but i was hoping the frame was maybe good.

Jos, do not abuse with your extra powers on my comments !

OK, next time I'll behave ..

Too many sweet guys in this forum, so I don't use my powers very much and when I do I touch the wrong button ..
I'm a stupe ..

[jim murray]

N&g

Thanks, jos for quick reply just looking at pic again, still think frame looks very old, not just a rub of sand paper, or steel wool, may be its just me, looked back on old posts on N&G and nobody, seems to give a positive no or yes on this type of N&G, if you go with gut feeling, i think its no but are we going paranoid, on N&G or is it just the super fake V poor copys, or replicas. Jim.

[Jos L C]

I'll show you another pair .. with the "right" hinges.

Watch the frame where the hinge goes in and watch the hinge, it's not the real deal ..

Jos.

[Jos L C]

Tools have been used to create a proper fit ..

[werner]

Thanks Jos.

Probably sold as genuine of course...

[Jos L C]

Watch the eyelet of the hinge, it's way too thick ..

Jos.

[Jos L C]

Thanks Jos.

Probably sold as genuine of course...

You bet ..

what I'm trying to say is that these goggles have too many issues compared to the perfectly made real 2nd type, some details are close, but no cigar, also too much tooling and sandpaper marks or whatever.
I didn't like them from the beginning and the improvements are still no good.
Add up the moment they popped up together with the other types of German goggles, all in boxes etc..
The other types all had issues too and errors in the labels, brand-new rubber parts etc.
All have one thing in common though, the wrong weaving of the strap.
In short, all fake IMO.

Jos.

[Jos L C]

Thanks, jos for quick reply just looking at pic again, still think frame looks very old, not just a rub of sand paper, or steel wool, may be its just me, looked back on old posts on N&G and nobody, seems to give a positive no or yes on this type of N&G, if you go with gut feeling, i think its no but are we going paranoid, on N&G or is it just the super fake V poor copys, or replicas. Jim.

To me they're not the super fake, Jim, but they're dangerous in general, they just look fine when not going into detail and that's good enough to fool many people.

Jos.

[jim murray]

N&g

Thanks jos for the info and taking time to post, that,s way to much info for the wrong people. In the pics you can see frame is made of some form of plastic, not bakerlite, as per real ones. jim