LW jacke question

[ITALIANWARFRONT]

Just got this tunic, I'm a helmet collector not an uniform or badge expert so my question is the loos on the right chest pocket are for the German cross or the Spanish cross?

Thank you

Giorgio

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2 first aid pouch pockets

[NickG]

Converted post war West German Red Cross uniform (with among other things added loops all over the place) ???
That's my hunch...This would explain the double first aid pouches...
Definately not a tailor made war time tunic I think...

This image is from 1949...
(btw war time DRK had charcoal gray uniforms so its not that either).
I hope I'm wrong and it proves to be an exotic war time piece...!

[ITALIANWARFRONT]

Converted post war West German Red Cross uniform (with among other things added loops all over the place) ???
That's my hunch...This would explain the double first aid pouches...
Definately not a tailor made war time tunic I think...

This image is from 1949...
(btw war time DRK had charcoal gray uniforms so its not that either).
I hope I'm wrong and it proves to be an exotic war time piece...!

Thank you Nick, I pick up few DRK uniform in the years and I know the color you are talking about but this is the classic LW color.
But you could be righ I have no idea

Giorgio

PS :If you are going to the Pomona show I will take there

[NickG]

I might go but my wife would rather not...(and me spend money)... I live 15 minutes from the Fairplex... Not sure yet...
Your tunic does have a typical LW wool color (even the liner) and insignia is well applied...tricky one for sure. Definately not text book if real...

Not sure if post war DRK continued the charcoal color or switched to this LW color...they probably had lots of suplus wool still laying around in post war Germany, so the materials look like LW but the pattern is not... hence my doubts...but like I wrote, hope I'm wrong!

The internal pocket pleats, and slanted internal hip pockets make the piece questionable to me...not a war time LW pattern uniform...
It could also be a West German "search and rescue" (I think they call it hilfsdienste or rettungsdienste) uniform of some kind... basically post war catastrophy service (like war time Luftschutz...)

[ITALIANWARFRONT]

I might go but my wife would rather not...(and me spend money)... I live 15 minutes from the Fairplex... Not sure yet...
Your tunic does have a typical LW wool color (even the liner) and insignia is well applied...tricky one for sure. Definately not text book if real...

Not sure if post war DRK continued the charcoal color or switched to this LW color...they probably had lots of suplus wool still laying around in post war Germany, so the materials look like LW but the pattern is not... hence my doubts...but like I wrote, hope I'm wrong!

The internal pocket pleats, and slanted internal hip pockets make the piece questionable to me...not a war time LW pattern uniform...
It could also be a West German "search and rescue" (I think they call it hilfsdienste or rettungsdienste) uniform of some kind... basically post war catastrophy service (like war time Luftschutz...)

Could be a custom tailored uniform?
Did custom tailored uniform existed in WWII?

G.

[NickG]

Yes of course tailored private purchase uniforms existed and those even existed during the TR period with such (non German looking) internal pocket pleats, that's not necessarily a bad sign...
BUT this is not a custom tailored uniform, nor a foreign tailored piece. Definately German made. The wound care pouches would usually not appear on tailored uniforms...
as those are usually "best dress" going out (non combat) uniforms...at least thsi is applicable for non officers...

This is a German Government issue piece (what branch and when is the question) and because of that I doubt its war time LW issue...
This based on the oddities in cut and style... Its a conversion, well done but not LW standard... disguised as LW...but its some other "branch"...
Sorry but I'm still not convinced as otherwise others like this would have surfaced...all those loops is another bad sign to me...it pretending to be LW...

Any inside shots to share? (lining images), stamps? that might solve this mystery!...

[billbert]

Dont know much about uniforms but to me I m thinkin its AOK with an Austrian flavor on the sharply scalloped top pocket and slash lowers..
Billbert

[NickG]

Dont know much about uniforms but to me I m thinkin its AOK with an Austrian flavor on the sharply scalloped top pocket and slash lowers..
Billbert

That did cross my mind also as a possible explanation for the strange cut but we would have seen more unfiorms like this if its a "Astro-Hungarian" influenced LW uniform...
Here's a pre-anschluss Austrian Airforce enlisted uniform image I believe. Its different.,,

Very few people dared to participate in this thread which means many puzzled viewers with no explanation regarding its odd cut... So it remains a mystery but its well made and appears to be in LW material,(inside and outside)... definitely not a reenactor re-creation, its either original LW tailored for a very eccentric owner or its pretending to be that...
so a rebadged non Luft piece...remains intriguing!

[Renaud]

Would an unit officer tolerate such a "estrangement" (I don't know if it is the right word) in the case of an austrian inluenced tunic ?

[NickG]

Would an unit officer tolerate such a "estrangement" (I don't know if it is the right word) in the case of an austrian inluenced tunic ?

If it is indeed real and a custom made non regulation cut uniform (still not convinced its Austrial pattern) those would have been tolerated
for officers and even senior NCOs, especially if it concerns pilots and and air crews with "status", meaning successful missions, like ace status !
Same comment for the removal of visor cap springs, a Luftwaffe pilot tradmark (and tolerated)