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    #16
    If the 2 pieces were previously joined together and then removed then why say on his website: "This piece is the second piece we had purchased with the first being sold about a month ago . Very much like the first piece and could have been removed from the same aircraft ." COULD have been removed from the same aircraft?? I guess saying they were from the same aircraft and then cut in 2 to turn a quick buck doesn't sound as good in one's ad. Great action from a site sponsor

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      #17
      I can't afford SS jacket Someone tear a pocket or sleeve for me? Sadly, bad things happen to the historical items, when it is all about reselling and profit
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        #18
        No respect for history or preserving it what so ever... the founding base of our hobby. It is too bad a fool like you ever got possession of this in the first place.

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          #19
          I agree with the others, deplorable, and even more shameful with the deceptive wording in the ad.

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              #21
              I wouldn't be too concerned guys...it is fake.

              The panel does not match ANY known configuration of German Luftwaffe aircraft. The colour is wrong (interior and exterior)...the aluminum wrong...the rivet pattern wrong...the internal structure wrong...and the swastika is NOT applied the way the Germans did it (this panel was spray painted used a 1/2 swastika template).

              The seller needs to realize that there are far more experts out there who have far more experience in the subject.

              Besides...it is easy to cut something in half when you suspect it is not legit.

              I know numerous collectors who would have paid well over $4000 for a legit 2-sided swastika, so saying it was cut in 2 pieces because no one could afford it is a poor excuse. All the collectors I know who say this piece did not buy it for all the reasons I stated above.

              The owner has a LOT of 100% original items on his website...so I do not think he originally bought it with the intention of deceiving someone. He just did not know his history.
              Last edited by harrison987; 07-18-2009, 11:24 PM.

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                #22
                Mind-blowing! I've learned a lot from this. Thankfully it didn't match up enough to suck a neophyte (me) in. Hopefully whoever bought the first piece hears about this.
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                  #23
                  I had been glad to see Brent come onto this forum, because he seemed like a decent guy, who had some nice items to sell.

                  After this despicable incident, I realize that he has NO conception of the historical side that many of us revere, and that makes him a cretin, in my eyes.

                  If it's true that the item is fake, two things occur to me......If he KNEW it was fake, he intended to rip off two collectors, by selling both halves separately.

                  If it proves to be fake and he thought it WAS real, he's guilty of either unbridled stupidity, or he just simply has no regard for historical significance, whatsoever.

                  I'm still trying to figure out which one is more reprehensible.....
                  I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.....

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                    #24
                    yup...

                    I like troppen's comment about how the seller claims the piece "could be from the same aircraft as the last piece he sold"...knowing FULL WELL he cut the thing in 2 pieces himself! He also claims Fw190 or Ju88. Any legit dealer would certainly research the panel. Neither aircraft have anything similar to that...

                    This piece is the second piece we had purchased with the first being sold about a month ago . Very much like the first piece and could have been removed from the same aircraft ."

                    I also heard that the "previous owner" was another dealer...and NOT a vet estate as he claims. Which would explain why he had a hard time selling at $4000.00. He probably paid $2000-$3000 from the dealer before him and wanted to make a profit. You usually get major deals when buying direct form vets...

                    Listen...I can totally understand if maybe he got ripped off... did not know his history and found out later...but he is killing his reputaion with the dishonesty and contradictions.

                    Too bad...

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                      #25
                      The entire fiasco is painful.

                      Words can't express how this sort of thing makes me feel.

                      It's like me asking for someone to pry off a diamond from a certain Holsteiner's pilot's badge with diamonds.

                      Whether or not it's an real piece, the concept of destroying/dismantling history to make a bigger profit sickens me.

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                        #26
                        Parting out an original two sided tail section for the money. - Well , we know ya now!

                        Parting it out on a fake to increase profit - Priceless!
                        (Just don't think the buyers would )

                        In the best senario an act that shows no remorse.
                        Howabout a refund then Mr. Dealer?


                        -wagner-

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                          #27
                          Perhaps the buyer has received a refund after all . . .

                          See here:

                          http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=93003

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                            #28
                            That is a interesting link SFP54. Seems like there are a lot of aircraft experts there. - Thanks !

                            Now there was also the "Other side". Who got hosed on that one?

                            No explainations yet by Mr. Big Dealer on how much...wait the violin is not out yet... he lost being taken in also?

                            Regards,
                            -wagner-

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by Brent Smith View Post
                              sold the other quickly for 2000
                              I hope you've contacted the "lucky buyer"
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                                #30
                                Tail Section

                                I just read this thread ..I can't understand why such a dealer bashing on this thread. I offer a money back guarantee for eveything I sell and stand behind what I sell for life. I do feel this piece is 100% original WWII vintage as several saw it in person when I bought it and loved it . I never had anyone question it being authentic nor do I . We just could not figure out later on the aircraft it came off of based on its measurement . If not a WWII German mfg aircraft why not maybe another war time german captured aircraft ? I think its possible ..Why not ?? Brent

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