Help regarding a M24 fragmentation sleeve...

[BrunoH]

Hi,

I need your help regarding this M24/M43 fragmentation sleeve.

I've get a look on the (very nice and very helpful) web site (Thanks again for updating it Bergflak):

http://www.bergflak.com/m24splitt.html

I have some fews examples (good ones and copy (to compare) as you can see below.



But I've found recently the one below and I've good some difficulties to get a proper feeling.
It could make think of copies usually marked with oxo or without any markings.
But this one has not the same default. There are some markings: ag and a WaAmt: WaA189.

From some documentation, ag code is for d. Haer, Aug., Metallwarenfabrik u. galv. Anstalt,
Troisdorf, Frankfurter Str, 133 (https://www.arma-dania.dk/public/tys...ist.php?goto=4). Based on Bergflak web site, the intersection between the grooves is not defective.

Here are some pictures of it









And classic details of copies



So any help and comments would be appreciated and helpful.

Thanks very much in advance and my best wishes for 2019

[oberjaeger]

i am total confused Bruno.....what we have here?????

[no1canuck]

I have never seen an "ag" marked sleeve or any sleeve waffenamt proof marked. The one you show looks like a machined modern copy to me.

Steve

[oberjaeger]

i have learned ....never seen...says nothing...the details are very interesting...the welding spot on the clamps is very unusual.....i vote also that it is a aged fake...but better than the known ones

[jeeeensy]

Hi... i'll ad to this later, I have all types here and hope to clear a few concerns to some sleeves and originality.

[BrunoH]

Thanks in advance

[Willi Z.]

Thanks in advance

Bruno, the one you presented is a fake. Compare the squares with the ones on "Bergflak's" excellent website. Originals have "pressed" squares. Fakes are too perfectly made and are machined.

Here is my "brb44" still on its original M24.

[BrunoH]

Thanks Willi,

I've some brb sleeves and no problem about differences with some machined fakes.
My question (and no problem earing that's a fake) what about this marking: ag as I never see it before and some details that differ from the 'usual' fakes (such as the ones I'm showing at the end).

So, to summarize, no machined sleeves is original ?

Regards

[no1canuck]

So, to summarize, no machined sleeves is original ?

Regards

I believe that to be an accurate statement.

Steve

[Willi Z.]

I believe it to be an accurate statement as well.

I suspect a machined steel sleeve is not likely to be as effective as the pressed ones they used. Can't test it, but there must have been a reason they didn't machine them. Type of steel, fragmentation effectiveness, etc.

[BrunoH]

Thanks gentlemen