ordnance collecting

[Tigerace007]

Hi all,

I am just beginning to get interested in collecting WW2 Ordnance. Does anyone know of a good book on collecting Aircraft, Anti-tank and PAK ammo? small arms too for that matter.

Cheers,

Stuart

[peewee1994]

Book

The book that has helped me the most is: German Artillery of World War Two, by IAN V. HOGG.
James

[jiipee76]

You might also want to get these german wartime manuals(if you collect german ordnance):

Handbuch - Die Munition der Deutschen Geschutze und Werfer D 435/1 (Includes infantry calibers from 3,7cm Pak to 38cm Wgr 40 rockets).

Handbuch - Der Flugzeug Bordwaffenmunition 1936-1945 (Includes airplane ordnance from 13mm to 50mm)

Germans had great manuals to all ordnance they used.From pistol rounds to railroad gun rounds and everything between those and beyond.

Copies of these can be found from various internet sites in PDF-format.

[Tigerace007]

ordnance collecting

Thanks Guys,


cheers,

Stuart

[Granate]

peewee1994, has it right.

Anything by Hogg is superb. Do not hesitate to buy a book written by him! I have so many books on Ordnance, especially on Hand grenades (INERT) and rifle grenades (again INERT) that have been written by a bunch of different authors. Most of mine however, are from the Vietnam War to present day.

The one book on WWII ordnance that has helped me a lot is this one: "The Encyclopedia Of Infantry Weapons of WWII" By Ian V. Hogg ISBN 0-690-01447-3. I saw this book when I was in Junior High at our main branch of the Library. Unfortunately, it was a "Reference" book that could not be checked out. I waited some 30 odd years until I found it in 2009 I believe, on E-Bay for $2.00.

IMHO, the best reference books on the subject are Jane's. Albeit, very expensive at times. Well worth the money though, again IMHO. You can also go to their website to see what they have available for your tastes then turn around and start watching them on E-Bay. Also, do not be shy of their Pocket (Guides)" either. They are great guides that are also full of info.

I have my favorite authors only for INERT Ordnance. I do not know of wh Especially the old ones by Ian Hogg and Cutshaw (I believe he is the new Ian) are the best.

Be forewarned though their is a seller named CSAEOD as he is sometimes called or just CSA. He advertises on almost every website dealing with selling his items. He sells most of what he has made up in DVD's. He IS NOT trustworthy nor is he a gentleman. He will take advantage of you in a heartbeat if he can and has done so to me and a couple of mates across the pond. He will not accept returns even if he states so. In other words, you get what you got. He also has been accused and rightly so of stealing a lot of INERT, rare Ordnance when Piccantany Arsenal closed down that was not meant for him. Please be careful when dealing with this, well, liar.

Moderators, my apoligies and I hope I have not violated any rules and regulations here. My soul purpose is to make sure the members of this great site to think twice before buying anything from him.

Mark
MACVSOG "Living Historian"

[Granate]

peewee1994, has it right.

Anything by Hogg is superb. Do not hesitate to buy a book written by him! I have so many books on Ordnance, especially on Hand grenades (INERT) and rifle grenades (again INERT) that have been written by a bunch of different authors. Most of mine however, are from the Vietnam War to present day.

The one book on WWII ordnance that has helped me a lot is this one: "The Encyclopedia Of Infantry Weapons of WWII" By Ian V. Hogg ISBN 0-690-01447-3. Unfortunately, the great books on the subject are expensive. They are books by Jane's. You can get them on E-Bay at good deals if you watch with regularity. You can also go to their website to see what they have available as far as what you are looking for. Especially the old ones by Ian Hogg and Cutshaw (I believe he is the new Ian) are the best.

Be forewarned though their is a seller named CSAEOD as he is sometimes called or just CSA for short. He advertises on almost every website dealing with selling his items. He IS NOT trustworthy nor is he a gentleman. He will take advantage of you in a heartbeat and has done so to me and a couple of mates across the pond. He will not accept returns even if he states so. In other words, you get what you got. He also has been accused and rightly so of stealing a lot of INERT and rare ordnance from the Picatinney Arsenal's fiasco/scandel. Please be careful when dealing with this person.

Mark
MACVSOG "Living Historian"

Moderators, please accept my apologies and I hope I have not violated any rules and regulations here. My soul purpose is to make sure the members of this great site to think twice before buying anything from him.

[Zünder]

I disagree about Hogg being a good source, when it comes to german WW2 ammunition his work is full of mistakes, as an ammo reference i would not take them too seriously.
Same goes for the US WW2 manuals on german ammunition; again, full of mistakes.

Best references are the original german manuals and the Waffen Revue and Munitions Lexicon booklets.
For german manuals, have a look here: http://www.lexpev.nl/manuals/germanyold.html
That's where that CSA guy got a lot of his manuals. ;-)

My "top tip": if you want to get a good collection, invest just as much in good references as in the actual collection, in the world of ammo collecting knowledge is everything.

Zünder,


www.wk2ammo.com

[jiipee76]

As Zünder said above,if you collect german ordnance -> Get german wartime manual copies. Germans had both: all-in-one and also one-caliber-only type manuals for every ordnance types they used.

Also i recommend getting:
Munitions Lexikon by Karl R.Pawlas

Finnish army also made good manuals of many german ordnance types,but reading them might be hard for non finnish people.

[Granate]

Ok,
Tigerace007,

what exactly is PAK ammo? I think I know but just want to make sure we are all on the same page?

Mark
MACVSOG "Living Historian" and Librarian

[Granate]

Apoligies for the double tap. Mods can you remove one of the above by me?

Mark
MACVSOG "Living Historian and Librarian"









http://www.bocn.co.uk

[Tigerace007]

ordnance collecting

Hi,

PAK is anti-tank ammunition, the exact terminology escapes me but its basically german for Tank and anti tank gun ammunition.

Regards,

Stu

[jiipee76]

Hi,

PAK is anti-tank ammunition, the exact terminology escapes me but its basically german for Tank and anti tank gun ammunition.

Regards,

Stu

PaK = Panzer Abwehr Kanone = Anti Tank Cannon

[Paul C]

The abbreviation is for the gun.

As jiipee76 has already indicated Pak = Panzerabwehrkanoe.

The tank gun has a different abbreviation which is:
KwK = Kampfwagenkanone.

The ammunition is then named for the gun.

PC

[Tigerace007]

Thanks once more guys, i am no expert and I knew you would put the record straight. In fact I realised I was wrong in saying it was PAK ammunition and not the gun that PAK represented.
I guess its a term for any German Anti- Tank weapon used to destroy armour. Good info and Thanks once more.

Stu

[sstuart13]

Hogg's Book

I agree with Zunder. Almost ever book I have of his is riddle with mistakes. Some of the mistakes are very, very common ones.