Some questions about cellon tallies

[R.R.]

Gents,

many thanks for considering my opinion. I have had no spare time this weekend which I could have contributed to this theme. However, I can answer already one of Ricardo's questions: there are countless Cellon tallies made from Cellon. I think I have about 30 to 40 different ones in my collection. And I know about a hundred more from other collections ... just estimated numbers.

Will respond properly tomorrow.

Rgds

Dani

Hi Daniel,

Thank you for your participation on this discussion, your opinions and informations will be very additive for this thread. Nice to know there are lot of cellon made tallies.

Regards,

Ricardo

[R.R.]

Thanks for the information guys. I now have a better understanding of things
S

Hi Steve,

It's exactly the purpose from my questions. Until now very few informations was discussed on this forum about cellon made tallies and I think there's here now a good opportunity to know more about them.

Regards,

Ricardo

[Marine HJ]

(D R M [Deutsche Reich Marine? B[efehl, i.e. Command] Nr. 5921 C VI from Oct 13, 1936). St.O. [Station Ost?, i.e. East or Baltic Station] 17680 V"

Ok Gents, approaching this thread step by step as I think we have to discuss a bit the Cellon threads. Unfortunately I'm caught out every single evening with other stuff.

Norm, the D R M is in truth the O K M (Oberkommando der Kriegsmarine) Befehl 5921 . This only by the way which has no impact on all the good things you have posted here and which very much contribute to the subject.

There are many unanswered questions, which II'm also not able to answer. The best one, and I need to address this to someone I will need next week hopefully, is why there's no Cellon tally of Tirpitz. She has survive for most parts of the war and we know Cellon tallies appear to have have been available for private purchase throughout the war, so why has never an original Tirpitz ever emerged?

One we can assume as it is both logical and tactful: once a ship had been sunk, the canteen tallies (Celloon and Metall) seized to be available for purchase.

Well, the Jacobi was Ricardo's first Cellon tally. I said I know many more without making this fix to any. A good example is i.e. the Kreuzer Prinz Eugen - with one single examption I know only of Cellon examples. On the example of Blücher, and I'm purely thhinking loudlyI know both: many Metall but also a few Cellon. WHY THE HELL where there any Cellon when she has been sunk duiring thenorwegian campaign? So is the no-Cellon-tallies-of-sunken-ships rule really valid?
On the example of Graf Spee this rule remains to be valid - a Cellon had never popped up anywhere.

Another example: Max Schultz. I have recently sold a Cellon Max Schultz (she has been lost in Feb 1940) and a Cellon. I'm absolutely convinced this was an origianl tally. Another exemption to the rule or was there no such rule or have the Cellon tallies came in much earlier than we think?

In rgd of the start- date of the Cellon tallies I will ask my contact person as well.

Rgds

Daniel

[John R.]

Norm, the D R M is in truth the O K M (Oberkommando der Kriegsmarine) Befehl 5921 . This only by the way which has no impact on all the good things you have posted here and which very much contribute to the subject.
Daniel

Or this Dani, before the name change. John

[R.R.]

Another example: Max Schultz. I have recently sold a Cellon Max Schultz (she has been lost in Feb 1940) and a Cellon. I'm absolutely convinced this was an origianl tally. Another exemption to the rule or was there no such rule or have the Cellon tallies came in much earlier than we think?

In rgd of the start- date of the Cellon tallies I will ask my contact person as well.

Rgds

Daniel

Hi Daniel,

Really very strange there's some cellon tallies from lost ships at early war times. We conclude here cellon was not a petroleum based material, but may be made from celulose. May be cellon tallies was produced since 1938 like kunstseide tallies but never officially accepted by KM due an unknown reason.

Regards,

Ricardo

[Norm F]

May be cellon tallies was produced since 1938 like kunstseide tallies but never officially accepted by KM due an unknown reason.

Regards,

Ricardo

Or maybe since 1940, since there are no cellon thread Graf Spee tallies?

Best regards,
---Norm

[Norm F]

Norm, the D R M is in truth the O K M (Oberkommando der Kriegsmarine) Befehl 5921 .

Hi Dani,

Silly me. Of course you're right, that's just O.K.M. in Fraktur script, not D.R.M. Just a brain cramp on my part.

Best regards,
---Norm

[John R.]

I still like my tally posted. John