Schiffstammabteilung Cap Tally Question

[Wesley's Dad]

Just picked up a small lot of items.... Therein was this Schiffstammabteiling cap tally. However, the "3." is not repeated at the end of the title as I would expect. It is not removed, as there is no evidence of it ever having been here. The marks on the tape are verdigris from the metal thread.

Unfinished, or something else? I am not KM savy, so any comment is a step forward for me.

Thanks,

[John R.]

These numbers can be removed and very hard to detect where they were. Are you sure it has not been removed and then washed, ironed, to remove the little thread holes?

John

[JustinG]

When I first saw this, I thought that it might have been from the DDR as the original unit was located in Stralsund in Pommerania. The DDR could have removed the last number designation and thus, could be one of the post war gothic tallies.
I have tried to research and continue to do so. I saw this post and have been trying to make sense of this. I am curious to see what John Robinson's request reveals; if indeed, the last number and period was removed.

Most of these tallies had the numbers prior and post description. As you can see, I am missing the 3.Schiffsstammabteilung.3 from my collection.

Look forward to hearing more. I will continue to try to hunt for more data.


Best Regards,
Justin Gibeault

[Gensui]

I was sure, that this tally is from the early Bundesmarine due to the missing second number.

But what makes me confused is the lettering.
Normally, the tallies are called Schiffsstammabteilung. Here it is Schiffstammabteilung (one "s" missing).

I know only one Kriegsmarine tally (cotton woven) with the missing "s", but with numbers on both sides

[Gensui]

Here are two other examples for Bundesmarine tallies
3. Schiffstammabteilung and
4. SchiffsStammabteilung

BR,
Chris

[Marine HJ]

Hi Chaps,

sorry, the tally from the initial post is an early Bundesmarine, worn like this until April 1960. The sure indicator here is the missing number at the end.

In general, the Bundesmarine had various patterns how they spelled it. Some are with a long s and round s combination, some with only a round s, some with numbers at the end, some without. Really confusing for collectors, and always worth to check on the forum either before buying or before selling on.

Another sure indicator (although not applicable here in this particular case) is the word "geschwader" on any tally. There were no Geschwader in the KM but there were (and are) in the BM.

Rgds

Daniel

[John R.]

Thanks Dani and Chris for clarifying the time period of the tally. John

[JustinG]

Good to know. Thanks Chris and Dani! So, is there any differences in classification of units for example, did the location and numerical denomination of the unit remain the same. (example: the 3.Schiffsstammabteilung remain in Stralsund; which would have been in Volksmarine (DDR) navy?


Best Regards,
JustinG

[Marine HJ]

Justin,

the numbering changed with establishment of the Bundesmarine. There were also far less SSTAbt in the BM.

Dani

[JustinG]

Dani, (MarineHJ)

Is there a resource that you recommend that focuses on the restructuring of the German Navy from the WW2 Kriegsmarine to the Bundesmarine?

Regards,
JustinG

[John R.]

Justin, there are several cheap books on Amazon concerning the Bundesmarine organization. Just type in Bundesmarine there and they will come up. In German of course, but that is what you need to match post 1945 descriptions.

John

[Wesley's Dad]

Thanks for the information in correctly dating this particular cap tally.

[Gensui]

Justin,
Fortunately, I have a scanned copy of the book „Die Mützenbänder der Bundesmarine 1955 bis heute” (cap tallies of the German Federal Navy from 1955 until today) from Kurt SPECKMANN. It’s not the ne plus ultra and although it’s written in German, you can easily see which tally with what kind of spelling was in use from when until when. I think that this particular information may be of interest to you.

Since I cannot upload this pdf file (29 pages, approx. 5.8 MB) here in this thread, I can email you (any interested person) this file.

Just send me your email address and I’ll forward you a copy.
BR, Chris