Vet Tally cap acquired from estate

[mandy333]

Greetings: I recently acquire this tally cap from an estate where the deceased's uncle had worn this cap. It has not been in a collection before and I would now like to show it for your opinions and comments. Thank you for all replies.
Best Regards
Zeke

[mandy333]

Tally cap

Right side

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Tally cap

Left side

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Tally cap

Front

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Tally cap

Insignia

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Tally cap

Close up of tally ribbon inscription

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Tally cap

Interior

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Tally cap

Close up of name,serial number? manufacturer and year.

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Tally cap

Lastly a close up of the sweatband and insignia cover.
Regards
Zeke

[Jan Klaassen]

I believe the code in red represents the fleat he's in ('N'?), his number and the year of entry in KM ('38?), but that's just me as a DDR-collector

[Trance_Eyes]

Looks nice and original to me!!

The stamp = BAW = Bekleidungs Amt Wilhelmshaven = Clothing Office Wilhelmshaven - 1937

N = Nord - 3223 rd Sailor to be enlisted in 1938 - S = Nautical Personell Stationed to the North Sea.

Tally appear to be original Metal woven example. Just needs an eagle over the cockade to be complete. See my example for reference.

Kindest Regards,

JustinC

[mandy333]

eagle

Greetings : "Thank you "Jan and Justin for your replies and added information. I had previously checked for holes in the beret where an eagle might have been, but there was none and the cockarde was in it's original position and has never been moved. In order for an eagle to have been attached the cockarde would have to have been originally applied lower to allow room for the eagle. This was not evident.Also I ckecked the cockarde for any attachment the eagle might have had to it ( as in a one piece) and there was none. That was actually one of my questions I wanted to ask.......were the early caps issued without eagles as this one sure seems to never have had and eagle?
Best Regards
Zeke

[John R.]

Zeke,

The cap was never designed to have an eagle, too narrow. However, the sailors had to fit one in. The style of the eagle attachment varied as time went on but many were just pins stuck into the back of the eagle then into the cap.

Meaning, there were two piece and one piece devices fitted onto the cap.

Your cockade may or may not have been moved over the years but for sure, it had to have had an eagle on it at some point no matter if you can find the hole for it or not.

Since it is an early cap, makes sense it was two piece. The eagle is missing but that also makes sense with the two piece versions, they just fell out over time or were taken off and thrown away.

By 1938, impossible not to have an eagle on it.

John

[mandy333]

eagle

Zeke,

The cap was never designed to have an eagle, too narrow. However, the sailors had to fit one in. The style of the eagle attachment varied as time went on but many were just pins stuck into the back of the eagle then into the cap.

Meaning, there were two piece and one piece devices fitted onto the cap.

Your cockade may or may not have been moved over the years but for sure, it had to have had an eagle on it at some point no matter if you kind find the hole for it or not.

Since it is an early cap, makes sense it was two piece. The eagle is missing but that also makes sense with the two piece versions, they just fell out over time or were taken off and thrown away.

By 1938, impossible not to have an eagle on it.

John

Greetings John: Thanks for the reply and valued information. I checked the hat again and was still unable to locate any visible holes where the eagle might have been. It's good to know but I think I will probably just leave it as found .
Best Regards
Zeke

[John R.]

Zeke,

The eagle pin was stuck right in the seam above the cockade. Very very hard to find the hole due to this. Looking a bit more closely, I think the cockade was moved up at some point. It is just too high, but again, the holes are very small to detect.

I would leave it alone though plus, any bending of prongs, pins, etc, etc, you are asking for it to break maybe and not worth the risk unless very careful.

I have learned this the hard way trying to bend the eagle pin a bit to make it tighter to the cap and sure enough, it breaks at the weld/solder at the top.

John