[QUOTE=jack1;8265866]Absolutely you are right to disagree,all I was trying to put over is that manufactures close to each other did outsource and share tools but maybe not in this instance. This has been proven a fact with the NSDAP Badge with period information by a Mr. Jo Rivett.
I have 2 of these breast eagles my self one KM and one Heer.
I think these may be fake.
Hi Jack,
Definitly not the same dies here but I suspect they dont have that "family look" by accident...Some pieces have a similar look to them probably because the same tool & die maker made them as Norm pointed out. Recognizing that such highly specialized workers were never that plentiful in the first place and it didnt get better with the aging work force or the resource redeployment as a result of war it makes perfect sens that such resources were shared by manufacturers
I dont consider myself an expert nor do I specialize in anything but I noticed these "family resemblances" in a number of instances in the stuff I am interested in (other than summer birds). The Maedicke/Schwerin summer birds are one such instance but just compare an Assmann(2d pattern) Pilot to a B&NL Pilot badge(both located in Lüdenscheid) or a FLL & a GWL Pilot badges (also both in Lüdenscheid) to name a few and they also have what I call shared "signature traits" despite their differences...
I have to disagree with you (again!) on your birds being fake. I showed the same identical set in the pictures I attached to my previous post and have seen many more of these exact same birds in many posts here by collectors that are a hell of a lot more credible & knowledgeable than me! As far as I am concerned they are "right as rain" 1st pattern J. C. Maedicke summer uniform eagles. I beleive them to be the earlier type because of the flimsier more fragile pin (corrected on the second version) but moreso because of the design itself with its round button eye (associated to early wehrmacht birds) and the less agressive breast feathering (diamond shaped instead of spearhead shaped) which is more evident in a "family pictute" attached here. Basically the same kind of "style" transformation (from nice to mean) seen on pre-war vs war time flight badges
If you are waiting for "absolute proof" in the form of a catalog picture or "clear close up picture in wear" to be comfortable with these I have no idea if they exist but I wouldnt loose any sleep over it: enjoy them for what they are
Take care
JC
I have 2 of these breast eagles my self one KM and one Heer.
I think these may be fake.
Hi Jack,
Definitly not the same dies here but I suspect they dont have that "family look" by accident...Some pieces have a similar look to them probably because the same tool & die maker made them as Norm pointed out. Recognizing that such highly specialized workers were never that plentiful in the first place and it didnt get better with the aging work force or the resource redeployment as a result of war it makes perfect sens that such resources were shared by manufacturers
I dont consider myself an expert nor do I specialize in anything but I noticed these "family resemblances" in a number of instances in the stuff I am interested in (other than summer birds). The Maedicke/Schwerin summer birds are one such instance but just compare an Assmann(2d pattern) Pilot to a B&NL Pilot badge(both located in Lüdenscheid) or a FLL & a GWL Pilot badges (also both in Lüdenscheid) to name a few and they also have what I call shared "signature traits" despite their differences...
I have to disagree with you (again!) on your birds being fake. I showed the same identical set in the pictures I attached to my previous post and have seen many more of these exact same birds in many posts here by collectors that are a hell of a lot more credible & knowledgeable than me! As far as I am concerned they are "right as rain" 1st pattern J. C. Maedicke summer uniform eagles. I beleive them to be the earlier type because of the flimsier more fragile pin (corrected on the second version) but moreso because of the design itself with its round button eye (associated to early wehrmacht birds) and the less agressive breast feathering (diamond shaped instead of spearhead shaped) which is more evident in a "family pictute" attached here. Basically the same kind of "style" transformation (from nice to mean) seen on pre-war vs war time flight badges
If you are waiting for "absolute proof" in the form of a catalog picture or "clear close up picture in wear" to be comfortable with these I have no idea if they exist but I wouldnt loose any sleep over it: enjoy them for what they are
Take care
JC
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