Golden Kriegsmarine marksmans lanyard ???

[herrgeezer]

I have this nicely toned golden marksmans lanyard which I thought might be a Kriegsmarine type from WWI but I'm not sure. I only have a few Kriegsmarine items and absolutely no reference to review. I have searched the forum but have only found one thread that was a bit informative but not sure as to what this lanyard really is, so I'm still in the dark. Any help will be appreciated.

[John R.]

I am not sure what this is, the KM were blue I thought. You might want to post this on the various uniform forums including Imperial for more information. John

[herrgeezer]

Thank you John.

[John R.]

Vol 2 of Kriegsmarine by Angolia, page 127--discontinued early 1940 for the KM. Dark blue woolen or dark blue with aluminum thread. Perhaps yours is the dark blue and aluminum thread version, just aged, I do not know. Hard to tell from photos of sailors in wear for the latter. Look very much like yours. John

[km-spain]

This is my golden landyard, I have been asking for information about it for years, but I have not found any. For sure is not Kriegsmarine WW2, as John has said only blue and blue with aluminum thread, but the construction is exactly the the WW2 ones. Pre-war / post-war???, how knows.

[Hermann-12]

You can find, in this picture perfectly, a silver cord similar to yours ..., from the Graf Spee endowment, in Argentina. Regards

[Hermann-12]

Another spee sailor, but in this case you can see the blue cord ...

[Norm F]

Hi Guys,

The longer Schnur in the opening post looks to me like the right length and construction for the Bundeswehr Schützenschnur but with the last knot in the braid unraveled and mis-tied. Again they're supposed to be silver for air force and army and navy blue for navy with applied medallions that determine the grade, but here's one photo from the internet showing a gold lanyard for the dress uniform.

Eduardo's is more interesting since as he said, it's almost the same construction as the blue KM Schützenschnur (but with one extra knot - 15 instead of 14). If these were worn at all pre-1940, then my guess would be private-purchase and for off-duty wear, not strictly regulation. The sheen of the material looks like silk similar to the private-purchase blue lanyards and would not have been official issue like the wool ones.

Today, one can buy gold lanyards from companies that sell supplies and awards to clubs.

Best regards,
---Norm

[Hermann-12]

[Hermann-12]

Heinz BERGER, sailor of the Graf Spee, with his Kulani

[Norm F]

13 knots. That bodes well for Eduardo’s example also being early or pre-war, and I still think it would have been private purchase since the gold colour has no meaning in terms of the level of the award — it’s still a first level Schützenschnur with a black acorn.

Best regards,
—-Norm

[Norm F]

Comparing Hermann-12's posted photos, these are two different parade jackets showing two different ratings and presumably two different lanyards, so I guess that means at least two separate Graf Spee sailors had gold lanyards?

Best regards,
---Norm

[Hermann-12]

Correct, they are not from the same person .... they are all different, owners. That jacket that looks in colors, belongs to a superior noncommissioned officer, look at the sleeve, with gold embroidery ...
regards