Waffen SS DD for opinions?

[drbill]

I am asking opinions on this WSS DD helmet prior to placing on forum.

[drbill]

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[drbill]

additional info

shell is Q64 and lot no is 2901, penciled name I can't decipher in helmet on steel, plus remnants of oval stamp, can't photograph adequately

[RGD51]

Looks OK, sporting age toned Pochers.

Robt.

[Bill Hermann]

I'm not sure on that party decal, can you post some crisp close ups like the rune decal please, regards, Bill

[drbill]

here ya go

closeup

[Paukenschlag]

Apple green paint doesn’t look right imo...
If so, the decals are probably...

[drbill]

color

outdoor bright sunlight, looks lighter than actual indoor green pic. it's correct

[Bill Hermann]

This one has been hard for me, the sun is obviously making the paint look lighter than it is but it could be factory 1937-38 Q paint. It is unusual to say the least to have a Pocher rune decal on a factory Q helmet and there doesn't appear to be or have been another decal underneath. The party shield is not a Pocher IMO as the swaz background circle is not off centre, I thought it may have been a Q shield but the background is not the usual Q red.
The fine patina to the surface looks good. I would want Darryl P or one of the really good SS guys to confirm this one as once you venture outside textbook on SS helmets especially with the value of this one you have to be 100% certain.
Regards, Bill

[RGD51]

This one has been hard for me, the sun is obviously making the paint look lighter than it is but it could be factory 1937-38 Q paint. It is unusual to say the least to have a Pocher rune decal on a factory Q helmet and there doesn't appear to be or have been another decal underneath. The party shield is not a Pocher IMO as the swaz background circle is not off centre, I thought it may have been a Q shield but the background is not the usual Q red.
The fine patina to the surface looks good. I would want Darryl P or one of the really good SS guys to confirm this one as once you venture outside textbook on SS helmets especially with the value of this one you have to be 100% certain.
Regards, Bill

The party shield is textbook Pocher slightly right of center and color spot on as well. This helmet, with the exception of decals not being Q, is a textbook Q product too. Pochers were the earliest decals used and could reflect an early run by Quist before they got their own SS or maybe simply a supply problem....
they are certainly seen on Q blackies.


Robt.

[Bill Hermann]

The party shield is textbook Pocher slightly right of center and color spot on as well. This helmet, with the exception of decals not being Q, is a textbook Q product too. Pochers were the earliest decals used and could reflect an early run by Quist before they got their own SS or maybe simply a supply problem....
they are certainly seen on Q blackies.


Robt.

I agree Robt, Pocher's were certainly used early on but I can never recall seeing a Pocher on a factory Q helmet, blackies and reissues are obviously totally different due to depot or unit reworking, not factory issue. This is not to say it never happened, never say never!
We will have to agree to disagree on the shield, for me the swaz is too thin, the black rune border too thick and too rounded for a Pocher.
The helmet overall looks good to me but I think one has to show extreme caution when operating outside the accepted parameters on SS pots.
Best regards,
Bill

[Paul M]

I think its good (in my opinion)

[steelhelmetsme]

Hello,


I Agree with Bill Hermann and RGD51.

I'm just going to say, that I do not understand how a helmet of great market value is offered for identification, is not very good pictures, especially for decals.

it looks good, but without good pictures, I'm not 100% sure

[panzer1432]

I agree Robt, Pocher's were certainly used early on but I can never recall seeing a Pocher on a factory Q helmet, blackies and reissues are obviously totally different due to depot or unit reworking, not factory issue. This is not to say it never happened, never say never!
We will have to agree to disagree on the shield, for me the swaz is too thin, the black rune border too thick and too rounded for a Pocher.
The helmet overall looks good to me but I think one has to show extreme caution when operating outside the accepted parameters on SS pots.
Best regards,
Bill

Spot on....It's a dangerous helmet

[sisifo]

i totally agree on what has been said so far with the general skepticism.

As Bill stated the lighting makes this helmet looking like an early Q paint but this helmet doesn't look to have a 1936-37 liner band.
we know that first SS Q contracts started probably in 1938 so why a Pocher here?
do we have to consider it as a factory reissued ?

About the party decal appears to be an ET not a Pocher. you usually want to see a set of Pocher applied on both sides at least.. anyway HD close ups are mandatory here imo.


Andrea