Tan single decal para for review

[sscrooge]

And always fund your paypal payment with your credit card as this also gives you insurance , I rarely buy from outside uk because of scams like this , don't get me wrong the uk has plenty of crooks but at least here you are able to give them a house call , you really are lucky you didn't make that payment ? Rgds Dave

[mayer]

Some "lessons learned" and collecting "risk management" for eBay transactions:

• "if it appears too good to be true, then it probably is"
• Trust your gut.
• If you think you are involved in an eBay scam, start a thread on the forum so others can be alerted. In this case we know of 3 people who almost got nailed. That means there are likely to be others out there as well.
• Don't pay on eBay via the "gift" PayPal option.
• Read the write up carefully. The seller mentions it did not have a decal, but the photos proved otherwise. I generally see a mistake in the write up of a fraudulent offering.
• Ask for additional photos via email. This way you also get the seller's email address in addition to "live" photos.
• Photos on dealers' sites should be watermarked.
• The photos of sold items should be deleted from a dealer's site.
• Be suspicious of any seller who volunteers to cut a deal and end the auction early, without the buyer asking first.
• Don't think you are the only one hoping for a good deal. These guys prey on that fact.
• Don't assume the seller is a naïve dummy and you are the smart one.
• Have a collecting network with people you can trust.
• And lastly........... don't buy from or sell to Larry F., or you might become a victim of a scam........

Well posted Willi!
I was asking my self if this trickster has made some victims around the net!

[Hva_skjera]

I also got the offer to buy this helmet one hour ago for 3600$..

He said ebay removed his listing, and he wanted a quick sale, and is lettng it go for 3600$

wAF did it again

[Adam S.]

Anybody report him to eBay?

[David Fettes]

I reported the item but am finding it near impossible to report the seller. Maybe I am doing it wrong

[Larry F.]

Some "lessons learned" and collecting "risk management" for eBay transactions:

• And lastly........... don't buy from or sell to Larry F., or you might become a victim of a scam........

LOL! Ruthless Willi, ruthless.

On another note, I'm glad we were able to save you guys some hard earned money.

[LetsGo82nd]

Some "lessons learned" and collecting "risk management" for eBay transactions:

• "if it appears too good to be true, then it probably is"
• Trust your gut.
• If you think you are involved in an eBay scam, start a thread on the forum so others can be alerted. In this case we know of 3 people who almost got nailed. That means there are likely to be others out there as well.
• Don't pay on eBay via the "gift" PayPal option.
• Read the write up carefully. The seller mentions it did not have a decal, but the photos proved otherwise. I generally see a mistake in the write up of a fraudulent offering.
• Ask for additional photos via email. This way you also get the seller's email address in addition to "live" photos.
• Photos on dealers' sites should be watermarked.
• The photos of sold items should be deleted from a dealer's site.
• Be suspicious of any seller who volunteers to cut a deal and end the auction early, without the buyer asking first.
• Don't think you are the only one hoping for a good deal. These guys prey on that fact.
• Don't assume the seller is a naïve dummy and you are the smart one.
• Have a collecting network with people you can trust.
• And lastly........... don't buy from or sell to Larry F., or you might become a victim of a scam........

How about adding that Ebay members who attempt to persuade buyers to end an auction early and operate outside of Ebay should assume some of this risk on a personal level? If people let auctions run their course this wouldn't be an issue, any payment would be covered by Ebay and PayPal. However, when people try to work these backdoor deals to score the nicer items they should assume some of the risk. I'm not complaining about the practice but I think that anyone who plays that game should assume some of the risk; rather than pushing it off on dealers etc... Those same photos were posted to the forum here as well; so should we require all users to watermark every photo posted to WAF and then remove any photos of an item they no longer own? -Jeremy

[Hva_skjera]

If people let auctions run their course this wouldn't be an issue, any payment would be covered by Ebay and PayPal. However, when people try to work these backdoor deals to score the nicer items they should assume some of the risk.

Agreed, Jeremy

[Willi Z.]

Jeremy, sorry you do not like my opinions on this matter. The buyers did not contact the seller to end the auction. The seller sent invoices out of the blue and the guy who was about to send money was shocked when he received an email from the seller with an invoice, knowing the auction had not ended. It appears the fraudulent seller reached out to those who had bid on it. And I certainly never claimed my list included everything.

I agree if a buyer reaches an eBay seller and tries to end the auction early, then that guy is on his own. Not the issue here so I didn't list it. But I certainly don't feel sorry for those who play that game and get outsmarted.

As for watermarking photos; I have been asking the WAF administration for years for a enhancement which would automatically watermark a poster's photos. It falls on deaf ears and I am not an IT guy so I have no clue if it is even possible. We do discuss these matters behind the scenes, but not everyone feels as strongly about this matter as I do.

As for dealers not deleting sold photos, that is only my opinion and I do understand why they want to show everyone what they have sold. I just don't agree. When I buy something from a website I would not like to see the photos of MY item still listed forever.

[LetsGo82nd]

Jeremy, sorry you do not like my opinions on this matter. The buyers did not contact the seller to end the auction. The seller sent invoices out of the blue and the guy who was about to send money was shocked when he received an email from the seller with an invoice, knowing the auction had not ended. It appears the fraudulent seller reached out to those who had bid on it. And I certainly never claimed my list included everything.

I agree if a buyer reaches an eBay seller and tries to end the auction early, then that guy is on his own. Not the issue here so I didn't list it. But I certainly don't feel sorry for those who play that game and get outsmarted.

As for watermarking photos; I have been asking the WAF administration for years for a enhancement which would automatically watermark a poster's photos. It falls on deaf ears and I am not an IT guy so I have no clue if it is even possible. We do discuss these matters behind the scenes, but not everyone feels as strongly about this matter as I do.

As for dealers not deleting sold photos, that is only my opinion and I do understand why they want to show everyone what they have sold. I just don't agree. When I buy something from a website I would not like to see the photos of MY item still listed forever.

Willi,
I think all of your points were valid and there are certainly some takeaways from this for all of us. I'm not against the watermarking and it may be something I start doing from here on out. I had started using watermarks years ago on images I posted on the forums but I guess they were seen as advertising so I was asked to stop. I will just have to use different watermarks depending upon where I post. It also does make sense to archive listings that are older; and I certainly wouldn't be against removing any photos if requested to do so by a new owner.
As far as this Ebay auction goes; to my knowledge there is no way for a seller to send an invoice to a buyer after an auction has been ended by the seller. The only way that I know of for a PayPal invoice to be sent is if the requester has the purchasers email address; which he would only have if it was provided to him by the purchaser. This information is not available through PayPal or Ebay unless an auction runs its course and in this case the only email address provided to the seller is that of the winning bidders. So my guess is that these people had sent their email addresses to the seller in an effort to circumvent the auction. Which is what it is; but I think this is a calculated risk on their part.

-Jeremy

[Willi Z.]

I also got the offer to buy this helmet one hour ago for 3600$..

He said ebay removed his listing, and he wanted a quick sale, and is lettng it go for 3600$

wAF did it again

How did he reach out to you? Did you bid on the helmet? Or did you contact the seller during the auction? Was it some sort of invoice asking you to click on the PayPal option? Just curious.....

Bob, how about you? I think you mentioned an invoice. I know the other potential buyer told me he received and invoice from eBay and that is odd.

[90th Light]

Another potential buyer in the mix ?

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=780053

I hope he has not paid the invoice,

Chris

[Hva_skjera]

How did he reach out to you? Did you bid on the helmet? Or did you contact the seller during the auction? Was it some sort of invoice asking you to click on the PayPal option? Just curious.....

Bob, how about you? I think you mentioned an invoice. I know the other potential buyer told me he received and invoice from eBay and that is odd.

I sent him a question about shipping to Norway. When the auction was closed, he first asked me about if i still was interested, and i told him yes, and what is the final price.. I saw the highest bid was 5100$ so i realized somthing was wrong when he suddenly wanted 3600$ for it.. I also asked for fresh pictures, but have not heard from him since yesterday

[ENGLISH BOB]

How did he reach out to you? Did you bid on the helmet? Or did you contact the seller during the auction? Was it some sort of invoice asking you to click on the PayPal option? Just curious.....

Bob, how about you? I think you mentioned an invoice. I know the other potential buyer told me he received and invoice from eBay and that is odd.

Willi,
I bid on the helmet,obviously i saw the decal and just sent a message saying that if ebay pull it to contact me,his reply was "will do" I still have all his emails.
He invoiced later on after contacting me for $2500 usd but it didn't make sense as the helmet was then at $3600.

Cheers

Bob

[fox-terier]

I saw this thread only today.
The helmet is in my collection and I am not going to sell it.
Regards,
Piotr