Fake KM decals yes or no

[Perry Floyd]

DH although I agree with you concerning the helmet I feel everyones opinion on this helmet is well known as there have been several threads concerning it. By now I don't think anyone's opinion is going to change and repeating it over and over is not allways going to make the other viewpoint change their mind. As mentioned it reaches a point where everyone knows each others stance. If you look back you will also see this divide in other decaled helmets. Even though the owner cherishes their helmet, it has a decal combination that is abnormal to others.
We have disagreed before but I have the upmost respect for Billy, Larry and Matt and this is just one of those times we disagree. I know of times when they ended up being right and I was wrong.
But one must not confuse a disagreement over a helmets originality as a fraud conspiracy when all that's there is differing opinions. There's alot of bad in the helmet collecting field without having to make something up. Way too much of that already.

[Schwerpunkt]

Perry , if they keep authenticating it publicly I will keep on discussing it. People need to know.

If there are more of these M35's KM's I really like to see them.

The helmets to which these decals belong have been for sale for over 4000 $. More dollars than the camo's we have been discussing here lately so I think it's a worthy topic for discussion. (if not just to warn people).

[stahlhelm1940]

The KM decal is a well known fake.
Mike

[boyouLaGleize.]

That's a well know fake only seen on 1943 re-issued double decal helmet.

That's a neverending thread.

But I think that a 35 DD KM is also rare than a FJ DD helmet,4000$ from a dealer is a special price.But IMPO (In My Poor Opinion).


I like this topic.

[william r match]

D,Head,

You are the one on a crusade, no-one is pushing this issue, but merely offering a converse opinion to your own. You believe passionately that it is fake and associated theories of conspiracy, don't be alarmed if others bring balance to what they believe is an injustice.

I'll defend what I believe is right, that is my free choice. By no means am I the font of all knowledge, but I have an independent view.

Objectively; You would be correct to conclude, that whilst there are collectors who believe this piece is post-war, other collectors are of the opinion that it is original.

Once again, having examined it in-hand, which you have not, and I'd challenge your rationale behind this disparity, this is a genuine piece, IMO.

Regards,

WRM

[ROBB]

I will post the stolen one over to Deathshead for an in hand ..............................................oopp ps .Rob

[Killerbee]

Deathshead,

Experts you know and trust. Please if you would present their names and creditials OR have them step forward and be recognized.

Testimony like this would not hold up in any format.
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Eddie,

Your questions are very direct and pertinent to what PROOF do the FAKE yellers have?

As they say "I have no dog in this fight", however the facts need to be presented. Which they are not in 85% of the threads presented in the Helmet Forums, rather egos and personal preferences are.

Some contributors need to check them both at the door, and present the evidence before they "POOP" on others property.

Lets see the PROOF boys!

Cheers,
Kellerstraus

Ditto... well said... I agree 100%

[Killerbee]

Deathshead,

You have the PROOF, but others must do the research to prove your acquisition? Hold on here, you are the accuser in this bad decal subject. Present your PROOF, and your noted experts. You have pictures, but you do not post.

What you are doing here is a witchhunt. You might want to research SALEM WITCH TRIALS ... this might help you understand.

Until you present your hard evidence, your credibility in this issue is thin. I think real collectors make decisions with real evidence, not hearsay. I shutter to think how many real collectables have been tossed into the rubbish heap, due to this type of expertise.

Cheers,
Kellerstraus

BTW: I will have the Blueberry Syrup with that Waffling.

ditto again

[Killerbee]

I must say this is the only hobby where the accuser can transfer the burden of proof to someone just asking questions.

Several of you are being quite presumptuous as to me defending the decal.

Quite the opposite. I have neither defended nor approved it, however their appears to be a comprehension issue at hand. Several of you feel I am defending it, I am NOT. I am asking you the original accuser to prove 100% that the decal is a fake, and still no "experts" have shown up to support your views.

The accuser now has his followers, troding down the same path. Now a simple individual whom has asked for the PROOF is being lambasted for NO reason, other than asking the accuser to prove his stance. In this hobby is the "Innocent until proven guilty" apply? It appears quite the opposite.

A sorry state in the hobby, when this happens.

Ditto... ditto... ditto

[stahlhelm1940]

Ditto... ditto... ditto

Bottom right corner(Link attached)... Same repro decal. 2 decals above it shows more of the metallic content
Bad decal or not it sucks it was stolen.

http://www.german-helmets.com/REPROD...%20GALLERY.htm
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[Killerbee]

DH although I agree with you concerning the helmet I feel everyones opinion on this helmet is well known as there have been several threads concerning it. By now I don't think anyone's opinion is going to change and repeating it over and over is not allways going to make the other viewpoint change their mind. As mentioned it reaches a point where everyone knows each others stance. If you look back you will also see this divide in other decaled helmets. Even though the owner cherishes their helmet, it has a decal combination that is abnormal to others.
We have disagreed before but I have the upmost respect for Billy, Larry and Matt and this is just one of those times we disagree. I know of times when they ended up being right and I was wrong.
But one must not confuse a disagreement over a helmets originality as a fraud conspiracy when all that's there is differing opinions. There's alot of bad in the helmet collecting field without having to make something up. Way too much of that already.

Very well said. also...

[Killerbee]

D,Head,

You are the one on a crusade, no-one is pushing this issue, but merely offering a converse opinion to your own. You believe passionately that it is fake and associated theories of conspiracy, don't be alarmed if others bring balance to what they believe is an injustice.

I'll defend what I believe is right, that is my free choice. By no means am I the font of all knowledge, but I have an independent view.

Objectively; You would be correct to conclude, that whilst there are collectors who believe this piece is post-war, other collectors are of the opinion that it is original.

Once again, having examined it in-hand, which you have not, and I'd challenge your rationale behind this disparity, this is a genuine piece, IMO.

Regards,

WRM

Ditto again...

[Killerbee]

Bottom right corner...
http://www.german-helmets.com/REPROD...%20GALLERY.htm
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Yea... but I'm not sure if that is a fool proof primer for all situations. Still no proof yet either way IMO. I think we need an open thread that shows fake decals still on it's paper.... not on helmets but on paper. That way matching fakes on helmets to actual fakes decals on paper would hold alot of validity.

I always see alot of individuals say a decal is fake... some are obvious... but wouldn't it be great to prove it by showing a fake decal still on paper and then matching it to a controversial helmet decal. There would be no question then. I would assume these decal (fakes), still on paper should be all over the place. If not... makes you wonder... maybe we need to rethink our position on some of these controversial ones.

Anyway, I have no opinion either way if this is a good KM or not. I think the only true way is to match it with its brother... an actual fake decal ON IT's ORIGINAL PAPER. Has anyone have a collection of fake decals?... that would be most interesting to me.

Cheers,

J

[prussian.guard]

I will post the stolen one over to Deathshead for an in hand ..............................................oopp ps .Rob

ROBB YOU NAUGHTY BOY ITS OF TO LIQUID AND ENVY OR TICKLED PINK AND TWENTY LASHINGS FOR YOU FOR THAT ONE

[Jeff V]

Yea... but I'm not sure if that is a fool proof primer for all situations. Still no proof yet either way IMO. I think we need an open thread that shows fake decals still on it's paper.... not on helmets but on paper. That way matching fakes on helmets to actual fakes decals on paper would hold alot of validity.

I always see alot of individuals say a decal is fake... some are obvious... but wouldn't it be great to prove it by showing a fake decal still on paper and then matching it to a controversial helmet decal. There would be no question then. I would assume these decal (fakes), still on paper should be all over the place. If not... makes you wonder... maybe we need to rethink our position on some of these controversial ones.

Anyway, I have no opinion either way if this is a good KM or not. I think the only true way is to match it with its brother... an actual fake decal ON IT's ORIGINAL PAPER. Has anyone have a collection of fake decals?... that would be most interesting to me.

Cheers,

J

Dittto, Ditto, Ditto, Ditto, Ditto, Ditto...............

Seriously, this post is a bunch of nonsense. The old prove it is a fake, match the fake decal to another fake decal. Study ORIGINAL decals, when a decal does not match up to known originals there is a problem. You will never be able to catalog all the fakes, they are being manufactured daily around the world. There are many fakes that only show up to our eyes in a couple of examples.
jeff