decal opinion?

Hello to all


Would like to have some opinions on this decal.

Is the white line around the decal normal? is that a result of how is was applied?

Is this a example of an early decal, like the ones that were applied in 34 ( with grey lines)?.

Also is that sort of three-dimensional effect of the swastika, is that okay?

The decal is on a re-issued mod 16



thanks in advance for the help

Jan

also, the left feather is smaller then the right one, I know that this has already been discussed overhere. I thought that normally this look was associated with the 'bigfoot' decal...but this is not at all a pocher bigfoot.
I know that there is a fake which also has the smaller feather, so??

[Edelweiss]

Hi, Jan

This particularity on the decal is not "a result of how is was applied", but a fabrication default. And I'm afraid I've never seen such a huge gap yet... Ca, c'est un peu ennuyeux.
But to my old eyes, and from this unclear picture, this eagle IS a "bigfoot", "flat head" type ; not a grey early one. So no pb with the right feather.

Let's wait for other opinions about the "three-dimensional effect".

Thanks, Chris for the help so far...some others who would like to give their opinion?


cheers

Jan

[Perry Floyd]

Not sure about those lines on the edge of the decal. It's hard to take in what it actually is that caused it from just a pic. The different sized fletching can be incountered as it's another variation. Also the grey Heer is not necessary a early Heer decal. You can find the black and grey Adler on early examples..
Here's a pic, notice the right wing vs. the left wing fletching.
This decal is on a M35 reissue...

[Edelweiss]

Here's an early example of a tricolor shield, on a M.35 DD ; it's "white lined" too, due to a misplacing of the black part of the decal that occured during the fabrication.

"Also the grey Heer is not necessary a early Heer decal. You can find the black and grey Adler on early examples.. "

Perry, the grey lined eagles are the early version of the "Hoheitsabzeichen" ; the fact that early helmets can wear grey or black lined eagles is not in contradiction with this statement.

By the way Perry, your eagle also shows a "tri-dimensional" effect (not as much as Jan's, but it's there). Well, I wanted to wait for other opinions Jan, but I'd say that your decal is OK. Let's see if someone will contradict me. Better pics would help anyway !

[Perry Floyd]

Well to what we have avaliable we can document the grey lined eagle before the black outlined one, technically. But very early examples have been found with the black lined eagle.
The 1934 directive called for a Adler with grey fletching. It is my opinion along with some others that the black lined Adler was a maker variration that started when the new Heer Adler was introduced. Makers not adhereing to the guildlines strictly. You can encounter examples today that show this..
So technically you can say yes the grey one was first but the black one can be found as early..

[Edelweiss]

OK, the last word will be yours on this point, as it's the best one. I guess we are too often "technically" quibbling, Perry !

But, er... if the "black lined Adler was a maker variration that started when the new Heer Adler was introduced", that means that it came afterwards, not true ?

Don't get mad, I'm just pulling your leg ! Moreover, I think Jan will also get mad soon, it doesn't help him much about his anguished question !

Thanks Perry and Chris....


Perry, can you give also an opinion on the eagles head? More specific on the iris/eye of the eagle?Is it really only me...but I don't see any serious difference between the wings on the decal you've posted.

Chris, that's a very nice picture to compare. I also saw some reference-pictures of this white border, but never so clear as the one I posted here...

I will wait for more definitive replies

ps : I will only become mad if this seems to be another fake!

Again thanks so far for the help, really appriciated!

cheers

Jan

[atcase]

Hi to all,

Both these decals are fine judging from the pictures available (IMO).

I really like the grey lined eagles and i have seen less of them than the black variety.

Here is a close up of one concentrating on the swas. from a dd M35.

Ashley

[Edelweiss]

Wow, for a detailled pic, it's a detailled pic ! And also very clear. When will the first electronic microscope be in use in this forum ???
This helps also, not true Jan ?

Thanks Ashley

Okay,

- grey lines
- open/closed( black spot) eye
- 3d- effect on swas
- different size in outher wings
- white border line

- what I have seen so far in reference books are decals that have some of these characteristics, but not all of them together, like the one I've posted




...different styles are possible, but this decal seems to have everything, and I don't find a picture of it

Does somebady has an identical decal to show, that would solve alot!

thanks

Jan

[Edelweiss]

That's what I've been working on, Jan. But I'm sorry to say that my researchs are still unsuccessful...

[Perry Floyd]

Right Chris just bebating the issue...like I said the directive was issued then the makers produced their version of what the directive was asking. Some did as the directive stated and some made the Adler in black..I think which was first is a mystery but it was supposed to be a grey Adler..
Actually Jan the Adlers head is the only trait I don't like from what I see. I wish I could see more detail in the left (looking at it) talon...It looks as if it was scraped there. The fletching difference doesn't bother me. The one posted by me has different sized fletching. I'll find another with different sized fletching to post...

[Perry Floyd]

There's a nick or something around the eye as I really don't see anything else wrong with this decal...