Winter Camo Opinion Please

[Tsuba]

Hi Chaps
Could you give me thoughts on this one please.

Thanks for looking.

Ross

[Tsuba]

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[Tsuba]

If no one has an opinion on this could someone please tell me what to look for regarding post war applied paint and ageing of that paint ?

Thankyou

Ross

[Oregon]

My first rule of fakery is, "Could I have done this myself ?" If the answer is yes, then the helmet is fake.

Mi dos pesos,
Cody

[David Guist]

helmet

In my opinion I dont see the wear on the inside that i do on the out side.

[nopoop]

"Could I have done this myself ?"

Cody

I agree. As a modeler I know first hand that many things can be duplicated, some things can be mimicked, and some things can't be mimicked to the point that it will pass the eye of another experienced modeler.

Comes in handy

[John Huff]

So...some German youth conscript can paint a helmet white but if we can paint a helmet white it is a fake???? Confused...

[nopoop]

John I see nothing original in this helmet besides the shell. Sorry for the confusion.

My opinion, if I'm wrong it won't be the first time.

[Tsuba]

So...some German youth conscript can paint a helmet white but if we can paint a helmet white it is a fake???? Confused...

My thoughts exactly John.

Ross

[Tsuba]

John I see nothing original in this helmet besides the shell. Sorry for the confusion.

My opinion, if I'm wrong it won't be the first time.

Am not sure about chin strap but what is wrong with the liner?

Also could someone tell me what to look for, as in signs it has been aged etc.

[erikofnorway]

Very often the inside of the helmet will tell more about its originality than the outside. This helmet has no consistency between the two, and the liner has in my eyes an artificial look to it. Combined with the repro chinstrap it doesn't allow for much on the camo job. No matter how convincing it looks.

Erik

[Tsuba]

Very often the inside of the helmet will tell more about its originality than the outside. This helmet has no consistency between the two, and the liner has in my eyes an artificial look to it. Combined with the repro chinstrap it doesn't allow for much on the camo job. No matter how convincing it looks.

Erik

I don't understand what you mean by artificial. The metal band on the liner is stamped 1944 and is heavily rusted and dirty on the inside of the helmet shell around the liner. The liner in my opinion is completely original to the helmet. Also it looks just like many of the "original" helmet liners you see.

[erikofnorway]

I don't understand what you mean by artificial. The metal band on the liner is stamped 1944 and is heavily rusted and dirty on the inside of the helmet shell around the liner. The liner in my opinion is completely original to the helmet. Also it looks just like many of the "original" helmet liners you see.

Look at the other helmets in your collection and compare the liner, drawstring and chinstrap that are on your other camo helmets.

A camo helmet has typically been worn under frontline condition and should normally show a common wear pattern to the liner. Even if the shell itself was painted shortly before the helmet was "captured", the helmet itself would have been worn for quite some time and usually show wear to the liner consistent with those conditions. Put all your helmets upside down on a long line and then compare these with this helmet. See it?

If not, I would put off buying a winter camo helmet just a little bit longer until one shows up that screams original at you and you don't even have to question.

Erik

[Tsuba]

Hi Erik
Nothing personal but many of you guys make statements about things without explaining them. What is your idea of a common wear pattern?
My observations on used helmets are that they could be stretched a lot ( ie very oval holes ) depending on the type of leather ( some leather is more stretchy than others ), also depends on how long it has been warn and more commonly is that they are most grubby on the front where it touches the forehead. And where the soldier holds it most when not on his head. Have just explained my thoughts. Why can't you guys be more spacific about yours.

Also how can you possibly make the statement that it was warn for quite some time. Do you know its history already? Were you there?

Ross

[ROBB]

Looks like someone has rubbed the dome area on some rough carpet for effect ,fake chinstrap ,mint liner,paint erased from the air vents etc ,where did you get it ? In this condition it cant have gone through many collectors or childrens hands since the war ,so the seller should have the history .Rob.