Italian tropical cover

[helmhunter]

Hello ,
I came across some oh these covers and wanted to have you though about these. According to a french author, the covers are OK but some of the markings inside are fakes.
Hope you can help me.
Thank you.
Philippe

[helmhunter]

The lace.

[helmhunter]

Marking 1

[helmhunter]

Marking 2

[helmhunter]

Marking 3

[Raffaello Carola]

Hi,
I think is totally fake.
regards
Quex

[helmhunter]

Hi,
I think is totally fake.
regards
Quex

Hi Quex67,
Thank you for answering. Howcan you tell it is a fake.
Phil.

[Raffaello Carola]

Hi Phil,
the italian army in the ww2 not have helmet cover of this type.
the marking red ink inside is fireman deposit postwar, the marking
black with fascio is an modern copy.
regards
Raffaello

[helmhunter]

Thank you

Hi Phil,
the italian army in the ww2 not have helmet cover of this type.
the marking red ink inside is fireman deposit postwar, the marking
black with fascio is an modern copy.
regards
Raffaello

Hi Raffaeollo,
Thank you for these info. Very useful.
Philippe

[ettore]

Hi Phil,
the italian army in the ww2 not have helmet cover of this type.
the marking red ink inside is fireman deposit postwar, the marking
black with fascio is an modern copy.
regards
Raffaello

Hello Raffaello!!
I do not want to make controversy but it is not simple, also for us (me), to know exactely the italian war items. In this case I remember that in 1985 a large quantities of these cover was find in Italy.
The only doubt is for the black fascio emblem: some persons tell that it was stamped to sell better... but the others is ok also for the cover (obiouvsly for me )
The red ink stamp is not for fireman: I read "Magazzino Centrale Militare VE" (Central Military Depot VE), VE means "Vestiario (ed) Equipaggiamento" (Clothes and Equipments) not VF "Vigili del Fuoco" (Fire Department).
I think that nothing is sure but I am inclined to believe that it is good.
ciao! Ettore

Philippe, I don't understand if you have found only one or more....
ciao!

[Raffaello Carola]

Hello Raffaello!!
I do not want to make controversy but it is not simple, also for us (me), to know exactely the italian war items. In this case I remember that in 1985 a large quantities of these cover was find in Italy.
The only doubt is for the black fascio emblem: some persons tell that it was stamped to sell better... but the others is ok also for the cover (obiouvsly for me )
The red ink stamp is not for fireman: I read "Magazzino Centrale Militare VE" (Central Military Depot VE), VE means "Vestiario (ed) Equipaggiamento" (Clothes and Equipments) not VF "Vigili del Fuoco" (Fire Department).
I think that nothing is sure but I am inclined to believe that it is good.
ciao! Ettore

Philippe, I don't understand if you have found only one or more....
ciao!

Ciao Ettore,
is possible the V.E. but I see V.F. (forse lo schermo o la vecchiaia)
for the ink stamp black of fascio I have serious doubt of
the original marking.
any photos WW2 era with this cover?
Is possible the manifacture postwar of years 50 the khaki color
of the cover, this is my last idea.
un saluto
Raffaello

[helmhunter]

Hello Ettore,

I found the first one in 1986 in Paris dealer shop and finally found 2 others a few months ago from a french collector. And the opinion was the same about the markings.
Regards
Phil.

[Frentebro]

Marzetti states ( pg. 468) that such covers existed in WW2 in khaki, white, camo pattern & gray-green, & illustrates them, but no pictures of markings.

[Raffaello Carola]

Marzetti states ( pg. 468) that such covers existed in WW2 in khaki, white, camo pattern & gray-green, & illustrates them, but no pictures of markings.

Hi,
at page 468 there are some photos WW2 of italian camo covers, I doubt
is an factory production WW2 for the italian army.
at page 231 photo 44.77 camouflaged covers for the M41-42 paratrooper's
steel helmet with a double system of cloth bands for applying additional
camouflage were adopted in October 1942.
These were also used on the common M33 steel helmet.
This cover IMO are italian factory production WW2.
regards
Raffaello

[ROBB]

Why would firemen need an army tropical helmet cover? Also the winter camo helmet covers were made in the same way from 4 pieces of material joined together .Just some thoughts Rob.