Hungarian M35/38 helmet

[viktortorok]

Not the correct shade of green brown, liner cord is also not right.

[viktortorok]

The liner is not maker marked, what you see is the acceptance stamp (K.Á.B.1943).

[Zip3120]

The liner is not maker marked, what you see is the acceptance stamp (K.Á.B.1943).

Hi mate
yes you are right, the liner is not maker marked but it has the Hungarian crown inspection stamps with date!

Not the correct shade of green brown, liner cord is also not right.

Here you are not right, I am sorry!
In WWII Hungarian helmets had different shade of green colors.
From light green to green brown to dark green.
Here are some examples of WWII hungarian helmets in different colors:

























As you can seen only a few helmets are brown green! The majority of them has a green tone!

This is well described in the great book written by P. Marzetti -helmets of the world-, p.227. "The coloration was generally light green"

Moreover the helmet in the last picture posted has exactly the same color of mine.


Yes probably the liner string is not WWII....

[viktortorok]

Could you take some more and better pictures please? In straight angle and flashlight would be useful too. Also could you show us the rivet legs inside and the rear loop? Strange dark color, no dirt or patina whatsoever. The rim seems to be slightly pitted and there is a strange, darkenned rusty area on the back of the helmet but the paint looks clean and minty in and out. Rear rivet has a very odd shaped, rounded head which is a potential red flag with hungarian helmets.

[Zip3120]

Rear rivet has a very odd shaped, rounded head which is a potential red flag with hungarian helmets.

Hi mate, I am really bored now.
The helmet has been verified by many hungarian collectors, in addition I have had here on WAF many private messages with the request for purchase mostly from Hungarian collectors, which I obviously refused.

The helmet definitely has a WWII paint with a correct shadow of color (as shown above), the rear rivets are one of the correct types for this helmet!

Here are other examples of this rivet in original WWII helmets.

[viktortorok]

Ok, if you're not willing to discuss your helmet with quality pictures that's fine. I do not want to ruin your item just pointed out some potential issues, this is the nature of forums. You keep posting internet pictures of hungarian helmets from other collectors but still have not been able to present yours. Of course there were different shades of green but even the mintiest helmet should show some age. If I were you I'd ask the top hungarian helmet guy about it, just saying.

[Zip3120]

Ok, if you're not willing to discuss your helmet with quality pictures that's fine. I do not want to ruin your item just pointed out some potential issues, this is the nature of forums. You keep posting internet pictures of hungarian helmets from other collectors but still have not been able to present yours. Of course there were different shades of green but even the mintiest helmet should show some age. If I were you I'd ask the top hungarian helmet guy about it, just saying.

Dear viktortorok this my last reply to you.

I have posted images of other Hungarian helmets only to show you the extreme inconsistency of your objections.
You said: "Not the correct shade of green brown" for my helmet and I showed you existence of different shades of green in WWII! Strangely now you recognize the existence of these different colors in WWII!!
Moreover you said: "Rear rivet has a very odd shaped, rounded head which is a potential red flag with hungarian helmets" and I still showed you the existence in WWII helmets of that kind of rivet!!!

Now you are saying the helmet don't show its age.... I'd like to know how do you have all this certitudes without having ever seen it in your hands?

I really think that this forums is a very important resource for a collector, but I am bored for the presence of persons who make judgments without any historical correspondence.
Ciao

[viktortorok]

I'm not arguing with you, don't take it personal, just wanted to discuss your helmet in details but you're still reluctant to show further pictures for some unknown reason. It would be great to see a top shelf example. Maybe it's only your pictures but the paint looks too dark and the rear rivet head looks odd, that's why I asked for better images. Sorry but you should not be bored for contributing on the forum, you can be rightfully proud of this helmet if it's 100% genuine and untouched. Show it! I'm really interested and I won't hesitate to acknowledge I was wrong. As for the inconsistency you copied different pictures of hungarian helmets to demonstrate the variety of greens including a finnish M38 and a hungarian civil defense helmet painted in blue.

[SL320]

Hi Zip3120
The only problem I see with this helmet is that it is not in my collection!

I like it very much.
I don't think the rounded head of the rear rivets are a red flag! A friend of mine has a WWII helmet in relic condition that has the same rounded heads like your.

[Zip3120]

Hi Zip3120
The only problem I see with this helmet is that it is not in my collection!

I like it very much.
I don't think the rounded head of the rear rivets are a red flag! A friend of mine has a WWII helmet in relic condition that has the same rounded heads like your.

Many thanks for your opinion.

Here are other two pics of the helmet.
it is worn by my Russian volunteer mannequin fighting in Italy near Anzio in autumn 1944

[Semovente]

Rare tunic ! ...even rarer winged diamond breast badge !...

[Zip3120]

Rare tunic ! ...even rarer winged diamond breast badge !...

Thanks Semovente
this is a nice mannequin, moreover it has a dutch captured and modified to german trousers.






Did you see these pictures?



above we see the Russians volunteers fighting near Anzio in autumn 1944



here are ROA soldiers prisoners of the Americans in 1944 in Italy .
Note that some of them wear the Italian oversee cap with no frontal badge!

Many of these prisoners were able to escape before being delivered to Stalin!
Those who escaped abandoned their uniforms and often they joined the Italian partisans.

[Robert Kondor]

I'd like to comment on Marco's Hungarian M35 helmet.

It's one of the best condition WW2 Hungarian lids I have ever seen, and despite the color being different, there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. I have seen this type of greenish hue paint used on other Hungarian equipment too.
Yes, it may not be the commonly seen or expected mustard yellow, but that doesn't make it fake.
In fact, I have in my files an original color image of a similarly lighter green M35 for reference. The second image also shows some M35s and they are an even darker shade of green, very close to the color of the export helmets Hungary provided to Finland. Supposedly they were only made in that color for the Finns, but this original color image may debunk that.



Please take a look....

[BRAZZA]

Nice helmet with original wartime paint , Marco, congrats

Christophe