Ex Italian m40 (?) officer tunic modified to German standards

[tankredi]

one more

[tankredi]

By the way, this jacket surfaced at Bayreuth on the occasion of rag collecting rally.

[Zip3120]

Well, initially i was thinking this was an modified Italian jacket.
The shape of the pockets, the shape of the flaps, the lining on the rear of the flaps and the material of the main body made me think so.

By now I have found out the following:
- whilst the flaps are made of Italian material the breast pockets seam to be made of another type of wool.
- same for main body of the jacket, but sleeves are different material. Or maybe the difference in color and materiel surface comes from wear
- same can be observed on the rear where the central part of the main body is good Italian wool, whilst the shoulder parts are somehow darker in appearance.
Maybe the wear hypothesis is correct?

stamps on the buttons:
buttons to close the jacket: 2x Etra A Fein, 2x DSS, 1x unredable
buttons for shoulderboards: 2x Extra A Fein
buttons for pockers: 2x Extra A Fein, 1x C.T.H Dicke, 1x Extra Fein A

dear tankredi as I alredy said I don't think this was originally an Italian jacket.
The number of the frontal buttons, cut and materials of the jacket are not correct.
The marks of buttons are not Italian.
Please post a pic of the inner side of the tunic as we can see the lining and eventual marks.

Marco

[tankredi]

dear tankredi as I alredy said I don't think this was originally an Italian jacket.
The number of the frontal buttons, cut and materials of the jacket are not correct.
The marks of buttons are not Italian.
Please post a pic of the inner side of the tunic as we can see the lining and eventual marks.

Marco

Dear Marco
I am very well aware that neither cut, nor buttons are Italian.
I mentioned the markings of the buttons only for the record.
Maybe I should have told you that I mainly collect Italian ww2 uniforms and headgear.
Below a picture of the inside - as I wrote above - no lining and no markings.

By now I believe this jacket was assembled from various uniform and material parts, some of them Italian, others unknown, others German.

[Semovente]

So having taken a step back Tankredi and a better look at it...do you think its seen service ?...or has been put together to con someone that its something it ai'nt ...a fantasy item etc ?..it seems very odd that it got several bits..a Heinz 57 ..ive had a few tunics myself over the years but not one like that...have you ever seen one like it before ?...Semovente

[NickG]

The ROA tunic with Swastika chest badge is an interesting conversion. One anomaly is that the Winged Swastika was phased
sometime in 1942 if I remember correctly...an early insignia from the 1941-1942 timespan...
This Italian conversion has to date from sometime AFTER September 1943 when the Italian armistice occurred
and the Occupying Germans had access to Italian stocks...
To me its more likely that many of these uniforms were obtained and converted very late in 1943 or otherwise 1944,
so odd to see such an early Osttruppen Abzeichen on it,combined with a pinted ROA shield.
(on a Dutch or German tunic yes of course...more logical)....but who knows?
Other than that a very attractive impression!

[Semovente]

Hello Nick..well as i said to Zip3120...that eastern troops breast badge is a rare beast ..let alone the rest of the tunic...but as you said his display is very nice indeed...Semovente

[tankredi]

So having taken a step back Tankredi and a better look at it...do you think its seen service ?...or has been put together to con someone that its something it ai'nt ...a fantasy item etc ?..it seems very odd that it got several bits..a Heinz 57 ..ive had a few tunics myself over the years but not one like that...have you ever seen one like it before ?...Semovente

It has definitively been worn.

[Zip3120]

The ROA tunic with Swastika chest badge is an interesting conversion. One anomaly is that the Winged Swastika was phased
sometime in 1942 if I remember correctly...an early insignia from the 1941-1942 timespan...
This Italian conversion has to date from sometime AFTER September 1943 when the Italian armistice occurred
and the Occupying Germans had access to Italian stocks...
To me its more likely that many of these uniforms were obtained and converted very late in 1943 or otherwise 1944,
so odd to see such an early Osttruppen Abzeichen on it,combined with a pinted ROA shield.
(on a Dutch or German tunic yes of course...more logical)....but who knows?
Other than that a very attractive impression!

Hi Nick, I am happy to hear you. Your opinions are always very relevant for me.
But why do you say this is an Italian conversion? (I hope to have well translated what you said) I collect Italian ww2 uniforms from 1970 and I can guarantee this is not an Italian jacket converted for its cutting, color and materials ( not "panno Ortica" nor even "tessuto doppia faccia" ).
I always wondered what kind of jacket it originally was and I hope you could help me.
Surely it is not Dutch or Italian.
Ciao Marco

[Frank Pacheco]

M40 converted to HG

Here is one the HG used. It also has the "Grenade" pockets in the back.

[Frank Pacheco]

M40 converted to HG

Lets rotate

[Zip3120]

Hi Frank
I like what I see.
Please can you post more pics of it? and close up of the details?
Marco

[Frank Pacheco]

Hermann Goring Italian M40 Tunic

Marco, FYI I just posted this on the Luft. forum.
Frank

[Roald Thamesen]

Hi Frank!
Can you post the link to the thread?
Thank you.

RT

Marco, FYI I just posted this on the Luft. forum.
Frank