Italian officer impression value

[Lafitte]

Hallo Kapitein, thank for the inputs, here others considerations:

Thanks for comments
The m34 or m37 (?) tunic is mine and 100% original and found as it came without the red stripping around the collar (if this was standard?)

Not a war standart, during the war the wool tunics for war use was without colored collars.

which I believe was probably not for field use! The pants do have correct stripping and came with the jacket which is made in field grey-green wool which makes it quit rare. These cold weather wool field tunics are all gone and only the nice gabardine tunics are found as they were used as dress tunics at home.

Are know m.33, m.33/40, and m.40 tunics in gabardine cloth used in war zones too only from 41 come the new m.40 in wool cloth for officers, the disposition in fact is it of october 1940.

The ribbonbar is a pinned on add on and 100% wartime. Maybe not correct for a major officer but good for an early war impression. Also the German KvK is loosly mounted in a buttonhole as worn by Italians like this aswell.

The ribbon bar is it reversed and on black cloth, the correct sequence is it: East Africa with sword, wolunteer in Africa (bicolor ribbon in the centre) and year in war (guerra in corso) 1940-41 (i think because the colors look lot of scolorized)

The Tunic was taken home by a NZ soldier after the war.
The 16th inf bustina did not come with this particular tunic but is all original and 100% correct and not altered with. The overcoat is indeed m40 for a Captain and in mint condition.
It comes with a sam brown belt and Italian Baretta Hoster, both not dated or marked. The M33 staf stencilled helmet is not a wartime piece but I believe 50-60's and original but not period.

In the 50 or 60 the italian helmets not have got the royal crown and the color was caky like the uniforms introduced in the 1948.

[Robbie Farrell]

Italian Officers Set

Nick, I sent you a P.M.

[kanister]

The holster is italian, I know this type of WW2 Beretta Holsters .

Regards Luca.

The italian holsters were brown, black, grey-green: none was light brown.
They were in use from 1925-30 to 1980, non only during IIWW.

This light brown shadow remember french holster and many handguns have similar shape, not only Beretta 1934 or 1935

[tankredi]

The italian holsters were brown, black, grey-green: none was light brown.
They were in use from 1925-30 to 1980, non only during IIWW.

This light brown shadow remember french holster and many handguns have similar shape, not only Beretta 1934 or 1935

AFAIK, leather holsters and Same Brownes used in Africa were in a brighter shade of brown than the regular ones.

[kapitein]

Thanks all for the very informative update, I find the tunic even more exciting!
You wrote: 'during the war the wool tunics for war use was without colored collars' something I can understand if you want to wear it in the field.
This could be a tailored war tunic which was made just before the M40 in wool became available for officers and was maybe worn during the French/Greek campaign? I am pleased that its a field tunic and that that splendid picture of one was shown in this thread, thank you guys, I looked long to find one!
Its exactly the same tunic with a pre-war style coloured collar without any trim around the neck!
In the men at arms Osprey series you can clearly see a Marshal wearing the the black collar without any coloured trimming around the collor.
This was probably fashionable for war uniforms before the M40 became widely available!?
The holster is 100% Italian, maybe made for Africa but who knows...
About the helmet, never repainted factory colour and bacause of green helmet strap I was thinking post war...
I will dismantle this impression and see if I can find any interesting markings on it.
Again thanks for all input and Ill turn the ribbonbar but wouldn't the sword be in the wrong direction?
(First ribbon French campaign maybe?)
kapitein

[kapitein]

PS: Going back to first question!
What would the value be of this set? (Peter -the Guild-has one of these in gabardine for sale aswell...)
kapitein

[NickG]

For comparison purposes here's another early M33 with black collar facing!
This would be the lighter grayish-green gabardine wool version with appropriate
edge piping alog the collar! Note stars without collar tabs, I assume appropriate for this branch?

[Lafitte]

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Thanks all for the very informative update, I find the tunic even more exciting!
You wrote: 'during the war the wool tunics for war use was without colored collars' something I can understand if you want to wear it in the field.
This could be a tailored war tunic which was made just before the M40 in wool became available for officers and was maybe worn during the French/Greek campaign?

Not are know pure tunics m.33 from private taylor, before the war the Unione Militare haven't got available troop wool cloth for officers only greygreen "castorino" for NCO or grey castorino tor the coats, only a problem, the catorinos cloth was very expensive lot of respect to the gabardine and the kynd of cloth isn't very good for a campaing use, is it too much delicate.
Very difficoult too see wool cloth tunics with blacks collars for officers during the french campagn in 1940 because the disposition on the wool cloth tunics for officers was confirmed in october 1940 with the cold months, after with the start of the war the old m.33 tunics in gabardine must be adapted at the wars times so without metallic optionals and without colorized collars.
Of course this is the disposition, the no modified m.33 tunics was used af the end of the war but exist thousends exemplars with correct modified, i talk to the Greek campaign because the evidences of documentation show officers with wool cloth tunis modified, untill the 1941 with the introduction to the new uniforms (m.40) the troop use the old m.37 tunics with colorozed collors so in the same way the NCO used their tunics what are very similars at the m.33 officers tunics in gabardine, not impossible (because the first forniture for the officer for the war uniform come from the military depots) if a someone use of this tunics for war zones.

am pleased that its a field tunic and that that splendid picture of one was shown in this thread, thank you guys, I looked long to find one!
Its exactly the same tunic with a pre-war style coloured collar without any trim around the neck!

But that in the pic is it a NCO modified tunic (look the belt strips under the Sam Brown), not have got the trim because is it a Cavalry Tunic, Genova for precision so the collar is it all yellow!!

4Again thanks for all input and Ill turn the ribbonbar but wouldn't the sword be in the wrong direction?
(First ribbon French campaign maybe?)
kapitein

No, the first will be the East Africa Campaign, in the pic the last one with reversed sword)

For comparison purposes here's another early M33 with black collar facing!
This would be the lighter grayish-green gabardine wool version with appropriate
edge piping alog the collar! Note stars without collar tabs, I assume appropriate for this branch?

No, not is it a m.33 is it a m.26/33, is it a old tunic modified after the 1933, the back will can be tailored in 4 piece.
In every case the the collar tabs on the Artillery tunics was used only for the regiments of Artillery for Infantery Division (Divisional Artillery), from the 1938 the green flames for the Alpine Artillery.

[kapitein]

Thanks a lot, you do know your stuff!
Anyway happy with my tunic!
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Kapitein