Italian officer impression value

[NickG]

What would this Italian officer impression (pre-war uniform)
be worth in US dollars?

Note that the great coat rank does not match the tunic rank,
but its in the same material,
and the helmet is post war.... (discount that)

So we're talking about;
-tunic
-pants
-cap
-belt w/holster
-Greatcoat

[NickG]

Italy

[NickG]

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[NickG]

Last set.
Value???

[ARDITO]

Strange complete! The side cap is Ok!
The tunic is not correct because the neck, around the black velvet, not have the red profile, missing the infantry collar tabs, the ribbons are incorrect, then the German ribbons should be removed.
The jacket is of a Major M33, the coat is of a captain M40 with gray green buttons.
The pants should have the bands, but do not have them .... I would say, this complete is re-worked.
However, the jacket with a little job, can return beautiful, also because
an M33 tunic made in wool is fairly rare.
Ciao, Luca

[ARDITO]

The number 16 on the side cap, which identifies the Major belonged to the 27th Division "Sila" 16 Infantry Regt.
The neck of the jacket looks like this:

[Lafitte]

Yes i agree with Ardito!!!

Wrong black collar velvet, in effect not exist m.33 tunics in greygreen wool cloth for the officers.

16^ reg Savona have got a strange history, the regiment before was together at Brescia regiments (19-20) and in the East Africa campagn was into the 55° Pistoia Division.
After the regiment was always in Noth Africa untill the distruction!!

On this tunic i have got lot of doubts, here an interesting topic on BMF on the possibles pre war wool choth tunics for offices:

http://www.blitzkriegmilitaria-forum...?t=6795&page=4

About the Major State helmet.... bbrrrrr... the rivets isn't that right!!!

[ARDITO]

I agree with Lafitte,
the M33 officer's jackets in wool, should not exist, but in fact were, used, even if little.
Here we can see more of the 4° Reggimento Dragoni with a Em's tunic,
which applied the officer ranks and buttons.

[NickG]

Thanks for the input guys!
So with the following modifications it would be a nicely restored rare tunic (for DRESS wear per regulations, image 1)
with a neat customized (non regulation) added M33 (summer style) velvet black collar facing,
(who will reprimand a major for doing that?) now shown with appropriate red edge piping + tabs!

Looks sharp.
So a prewar pattern wool officer's grade uniform of this pattern is rare
and with the black collar modification even rarer I would think!
(as its unofficially done...for sure period done!)

Or perhaps this reason for the modifications? =Image 2
(if its an unaltered-untouched vet bring back souvenir as claimed....)

[kapitein]

Thanks for comments
The m34 or m37 (?) tunic is mine and 100% original and found as it came without the red stripping around the collar (if this was standard?) which I believe was probably not for field use! The pants do have correct stripping and came with the jacket which is made in field grey-green wool which makes it quit rare. These cold weather wool field tunics are all gone and only the nice gabardine tunics are found as they were used as dress tunics at home.
The ribbonbar is a pinned on add on and 100% wartime. Maybe not correct for a major officer but good for an early war impression. Also the German KvK is loosly mounted in a buttonhole as worn by Italians like this aswell.
The Tunic was taken home by a NZ soldier after the war.
The 16th inf bustina did not come with this particular tunic but is all original and 100% correct and not altered with. The overcoat is indeed m40 for a Captain and in mint condition.
It comes with a sam brown belt and Italian Baretta Hoster, both not dated or marked. The M33 staf stencilled helmet is not a wartime piece but I believe 50-60's and original but not period. The leather plum carrier was added.
The Bustina 16th did not come with this tunic so your theory what it should look like is useless. The plain black collar & stars but without red tresse around it is as if left the Italian tailor who made this field uniform!

Its for sale and set will be taken to USA next week so if anybody wants an unaltered an original Italian early war Maj's field-tunic can send me a PM. I will not sell to somebody who wants to alter this beauty as descibed above!!!


kapitein

[kanister]

Thanks for comments

It has a the sam brown belt and Italian Baretta Hoster, both not dated or marked.

I don't like the holster, it's too much light brown. That shadow reminds me french holsters, not italian for Beretta, that were dark like the belt.

[ARDITO]

The holster is italian, I know this type of WW2 Beretta Holsters .

Regards Luca.

[ARDITO]

I'm staying in my opinion the jacket is not canonical,
Missing the piping on the neck and collar tabs.
The infantry had always this caracteristic
The ribbons are as wrong order, and if he has fought in AOI
not even a cross of war?
Strange tunic is not canonical.
Ciao, Luca

[Lafitte]

Luca have you got the riferiment of the your post of Dragoni photo?

Yes the tunic is it a troop tunic with modified particolars like the shoulder boards.
interesting pic, my idea is it what this pic can be take from the middle of 1940 and 1941, problaly the officer use a wool cloth tunic for sergeant with stright cuffhands introduced in the 1939, the buttons looking of the smoot model for troop and NCO.
A combinationlike that at the times can be look in example during the campaing in Greek.
I see pure m.37 troop jackets without modications used to officers only with the add of the raion cevrons on the V handcuff.

I never say what a officer can be use a tunic in greygreen wool cloth but this not exist in pre war times because that kind of cloth not exist like private forniture.
The "castorino" finest wool cloth was used from NCO and this tunics exist but a pure m.34 for officers use made in troop wool cloth can be exist only like modified tunic.

This for the REI use, are know some Milice tunics in greygreen wool cloth used from officers too, expecially from officers of Confinaria and Forestale.

[tankredi]

The infantry had always this caracteristic
The ribbons are as wrong order, and if he has fought in AOI
not even a cross of war?

Luca, read above.
The ribbons are genuine but DO NOT belong to this jacket. They are only pinned on, not sewed on.