Ah yes, the KCN....the good old days. Mail catalogs and newsletters.....how times have changed. Welcome to the forum.
I have moved this thread into the uniform section for you.
I have moved this thread into the uniform section for you.
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Willi
Preußens Gloria!
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Hey Air,
Please post photos when you are ready,
Thanks
MNComment
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Michael, here they come. As you see, no reason for your comments to scare me
You have probably never handled this first pattern smock before. They are rare, but they exist. Most out there are decent repros of the hbt second pattern. I've been at this a long time, have all the books, and better yet, have studied the real thing. I like to think of myself as a student more than a collector, and at this point, a "grad student". Willi is a Ph.D on the LW. I don't participate in forums too much because everyone with old issues of Militaria magazine and a couple Angolia books is an expert. So, without adieu, here they come:
Originally posted by MGNComment
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Looks like a nice original smock to me. Cant comment on the eagle or boards but the eagle looks replaced.
Glenn"A Man's Got to Know His Limitations"Comment
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Thanks, that's what I think too
Some are unaware of this variant or their reference only refers to hbt, thus it is assumed that this does not exist. It do exist, but isn't common. Most unfamiliar with the variant assume fake, which is a safe assumption in today's market. I've had two others in my hands in the last 20 years, and both looked like a lawnmower ran over them. The eagle was in the pocket (really, not the tale of the eagle in the pocket) as were two tickets with a Vienna reference that the collector from whom I got it could no longer find. I reckon I could have the eagle sewn back on with original cotton thread, in the correct manner, but I've never really felt the need. It could be done and it would be quite difficult if not impossible, to tell.
Originally posted by feldweblComment
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I really like the blue pocket bag material. I have seen this exact material used in period German uniforms before. I think I have a M43 Army tunic where this material is used to line the inner pocket flaps.
Glenn"A Man's Got to Know His Limitations"Comment
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Here it is,, it is much more blue than this pic shows.Last edited by Glenn McInnes; 05-04-2005, 06:53 PM."A Man's Got to Know His Limitations"Comment
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Hey Air,
Enjoy your jacket,
MNComment
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Nice original tight-weave Field division jacket
Same material as some jump smocks.
Eagle is
IMO
Regards,
Steve
P.S . I believe it is the 2nd pattern, not 1st. I think the splinter over gruenmeliert was the 1st.Last edited by SMP; 05-05-2005, 07:14 AM.Comment
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Tks. I'm not a cloth insignia expert, but know the provenance and previous owner, and have seen variant LW breast eagles on camo backing. Given the date that this surfaced, I'm putting more weight on the originality of the breast eagle, than not. Believe me, I'm not married to my gear, and for what I paid for this piece, that aspect of it is of little import. For my edification, what is it about the breast eagle that indicates that it is a reproduction and can you post a pic of what is deemed to be an original LW breast eagle on camo backing? That analysis and comparative picture would be informative.
tks, AB
Originally posted by SMPNice original tight-weave Field division jacket Same material as some jump smocks.
Eagle is IMO
Regards,
Steve
P.S . I believe it is the 2nd pattern, not 1st. I think the splinter over gruenmeliert was the 1st.Comment
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I'd like to see John H. weigh in on this one.Comment
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Also, the backing material on the eagle, and color, is identical to that of the smock. Most fakes I have been able to identify are not so backed. Further, this would have been done over 20 years ago. There were plenty original LW breast adlers around then, cheap. The fakes from those days were VERY fake.Comment
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How can you call it early when its marked 44?
Has anyone else seen that kind of splinter material?Comment
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