Unteroffizier shoulderstraps - Transport or Medical?

[PaulW]

Hi, not sure if I'm going mad but I bought these straps as Supply from Mario Hiscoll (who listed them as Supply / Nachshub), but have received this communication from another collector with regard to them:-

"I have collected for 40 years and about 600 pairs of boards. I also know Mario. The piping is too dark for transport, they are faded medical."

The other collector is adamant! I would view these as unissued so I'm not sure how likely they are to be faded, unless left in direct sunlight for a long time perhaps...?

Regards, Paul

[PaulW]

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[Fred Green]

Hello,


Look like nachshub to me.


Fred

[PaulW]

Here is another (mismatched) EM pair I would also call Supply, for comparison. Again bought from Mario Hiscoll and described as such by Mario when he sold them.

Also, a group shot, showing some variations in Waffenfarbe hue/ fading, but again all Supply - in my humble opinion!

[PaulW]

Lastly what I would call Medic Waffenfarbe, i.e a much darker (Cornflower) blue.

[PaulW]

Hello,


Look like nachshub to me.


Fred

Thanks Fred - perhaps I'm not going mad after all!

I respect the other person's opinion, but I think that if the straps were heavily sun faded, the button-hole thread would be faded too, but it's still a vibrant olive green.

Regards, Paul

[pauke]

I'm seeing supply straps.

[Stive]

On color to a waffenfarbe I see transport service. Also there were many shades of this color, from bright blue to faintly blue.

[longislandercjv]

On color to a waffenfarbe I see transport service. Also there were many shades of this color, from bright blue to faintly blue.

I agree with Yuri;
the topic of Waffenfarben has always been a point of confusion;
There are MANY shades of a given waffenfarbe; dye lots, manufacturer's implementation
of what the color should look like based on official nomenclature, etc.
Waffenfarben such as "wiesengrun", rosa, gold gelb have a wide range of variations;
Weiss, Schwartz, Hochrot have no color range.

Nice examples Yuri.

[upbeek]

Very informative thread!
I also have a transport shoulder board

Kind regards Chay

[Stive]

Waffenfarben such as "wiesengrun", rosa, gold gelb have a wide range of variations;
Weiss, Schwartz, Hochrot have no color range.

Nice examples Yuri.

Thanks! Shades of color one waffenfarbe were always interesting to me. But the most difficult subject for discussion, all this such all shades brown to a waffenfarbe

[longislandercjv]

Thanks! Shades of color one waffenfarbe were always interesting to me. But the most difficult subject for discussion, all this such all shades brown to a waffenfarbe

You are absolutely correct! I forgot to mention BROWN waffenfarbe variations.
For us insignia collectors, we know there were 3 usages of "Brown" Waffenfarben
(not to mention 1 nebenfarbe for HV)
light brown: pre-1936 signals
medium brown: Bautruppen
copper brown: Panzer Recon
Dealers seem to always describe any shade of brown as "Panzer-recon"
The slip tab horde found years ago had several with chainstitched numbers that correspond to only BAU units (eg: 159, 135, 12);
these were erroneously identified as "Panzer-recon". An honest mistake or an attempt to upgrade second rate construction units as elite armored reconnaissance units?

Here are photos of 2 riker mounts of straps & boards having "Brown" waffenfarben:
photo # 1 are all Bau units EXCEPT the 2 NCO straps on top left;
10th & 6th NACHRICHTEN pe-1936 examples. (and Enlisted Feldbluse # 7)
photo #2 are all COPPER BROWN examples (note the stylized "A" cypher!)

[longislandercjv]

photos:

[PaulW]

You are absolutely correct! I forgot to mention BROWN waffenfarbe variations.
For us insignia collectors, we know there were 3 usages of "Brown" Waffenfarben
(not to mention 1 nebenfarbe for HV)
light brown: pre-1936 signals
medium brown: Bautruppen
copper brown: Panzer Recon
Dealers seem to always describe any shade of brown as "Panzer-recon"
The slip tab horde found years ago had several with chainstitched numbers that correspond to only BAU units (eg: 159, 135, 12);
these were erroneously identified as "Panzer-recon". An honest mistake or an attempt to upgrade second rate construction units as elite armored reconnaissance units?

Here are photos of 2 riker mounts of straps & boards having "Brown" waffenfarben:
photo # 1 are all Bau units EXCEPT the 2 NCO straps on top left;
10th & 6th NACHRICHTEN pe-1936 examples. (and Enlisted Feldbluse # 7)
photo #2 are all COPPER BROWN examples (note the stylized "A" cypher!)

"Dealers seem to always describe any shade of brown as "Panzer-recon"

You can say that again!

My contribution to the 'Brown debate" last August:-

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=970974

Regards, Paul

[Stive]

Paule it was very interesting and informative research!