DAK set for review

[Lukasz78]

The eagle position is clearly visible on the photo from Africa.

[Lukasz78]

Meny thanks Fred for Your research, and from the start You did know what You talking about - it's real meritoric approach to the subject. I appreciate that.
Regards Lukasz

Hello,

Here is a picture of a typical weaving flaw on a BeVo eagle in the small wing area. http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...560177&page=11 post #163 Posted by Sal

Fred

[Tim O'Keefe]

The eagle position is clearly visible on the photo from Africa.

Yes on the lower image that is not the same jacket. In the upper image the eagle is not clear post #25.

[Lukasz78]

It's the same tunic, and it's easy to see that the eagle was plased just like it is - not in the textbook way but over the pocket. I don't know why you don't want to admit it. Maybe i'm wrong, but looking at Your earlier posts (especially post #35, where You didn't recognize this tunic at all) i'm starting to think that you doing this in some kind of unmeritorious purpose.

Gentlemen's look even the ribbon is placed not symmetric
regards Lukasz

Yes on the lower image that is not the same jacket. In the upper image the eagle is not clear post #25.

[Tim O'Keefe]

You could be right, hard to tell from the lower image post 25. The threadstarter jacket has pleated upper pockets. In the Afrika photo it looks like the upper pockets are not pleated (like a standard 3rd pattern) ? Sraight pocket flap vs scalloped ? Can't reallly see the french cuffs as his arms are folded backwords. Eagle looks to be in the standard location for a standard tunic, right on the stitch line of the upper pocket, Compared to the two solders next to him wearing standard tunics (they all look the same). Again judging from what i see on my screen could be wrong.

Your tunic and all the rest of the group is really nice. To bad it got split up but that happens these days. Also if all this group survived then there is a chance that his M40 cap (likely with a Nebel soutache) might still be around too

[Lukasz78]

This is the tunic from the upper picture

Maybe i didn't write enough precisely, or we have it again - you know that all the time we are talking about the tunic from the upper picture (look post #41), we all know, that the tunic from the lower picture is different, while you are stlill writing about the tunic from the lower picture.
I wrote - It's the same tunic - about the tunic from the upper picture and the threadstarter tunic.
Two photos are from Africa

[Lukasz78]

Maybe i didn't write enough precisely, or we have it again - you know that all the time we are talking about the tunic from the upper picture (look post #41), we all know, that the tunic from the lower picture is different, while you are stlill writing about the tunic from the lower picture.
I wrote - It's the same tunic - about the tunic from the upper picture and the threadstarter tunic.
Two photos are from Africa

You could be right, hard to tell from the lower image post 25. The threadstarter jacket has pleated upper pockets. In the Afrika photo it looks like the upper pockets are not pleated (like a standard 3rd pattern) ? Sraight pocket flap vs scalloped ? Can't reallly see the french cuffs as his arms are folded backwords. Eagle looks to be in the standard location for a standard tunic, right on the stitch line of the upper pocket, Compared to the two solders next to him wearing standard tunics (they all look the same). Again judging from what i see on my screen could be wrong.

Your tunic and all the rest of the group is really nice. To bad it got split up but that happens these days. Also if all this group survived then there is a chance that his M40 cap (likely with a Nebel soutache) might still be around too

[Lukasz78]

Of course the eagle is not clearly visible (in the upper photo from Africa), but clearly we can see his position, is not the text book, but over the pocket just like in threadstarter jacket.

It's to bad you can not see the eagle on the jacket in upper post #25, would like to see a period photo of that jacket full length not sitting down leaning backwords....

[Tim O'Keefe]

No you were not clear, but now you are, thanks. The tunic in the lower photo is not the same as the threadstarter upper photo post #25.

Does anyone have the soldbuch of the Officer ? When did he arrive in Afrika ? It is possible he was in Afrika a very short time (Tunisian hotel reciept, no Afrika Ct award ? etc) ? & that he only had his issued standard 3rd pattern tunic in Afrika.

Upper photo may not be in Afrika, any proof ? There is what looks like a European train in the background ? Maybe later in Europe he purchased the custom tunic with reject eagle (tailor got it as it was less expensive ?). Eagle on his custom jacket is not removed from earlier standard issued jacket....the thread used to sew the eagle and the officers tabs is the same....

You can not really see any eagle in the upper photo post #25. It is possible there is no eagle then ?

[Lukasz78]

In this particular example it's obvious there is an eagle sewn in the way it is visible on the threadstarter tunic.
After all you now know about the tunic your comment about the eagle presence is not in place.
On the upper photo the collar tabs are clearly visible: the same model, angle of inclination, excetera. You know that they have been attached with the same thread as an eagle.
So i guess you have now the answer about the eagle presence? I'm sure You know this what i wrote very well.


About the time spend in Africa i must ask Hanhard, becouse he have the Africa photo album.

No you were not clear, but now you are, thanks. The tunic in the lower photo is not the same as the threadstarter upper photo post #25.

Does anyone have the soldbuch of the Officer ? When did he arrive in Afrika ? It is possible he was in Afrika a very short time (Tunisian hotel reciept, no Afrika Ct award ? etc) ? & that he only had his issued standard 3rd pattern tunic in Afrika.

Upper photo may not be in Afrika, any proof ? There is what looks like a European train in the background ? Maybe later in Europe he purchased the custom tunic with reject eagle (tailor got it as it was less expensive ?). Eagle on his custom jacket is not removed from earlier standard issued jacket....the thread used to sew the eagle and the officers tabs is the same....

You can not really see any eagle in the upper photo post #25. It is possible there is no eagle then ?

[Tim O'Keefe]

Yes, can we "assume" (without evidence or knowing positively) the eagle was there because the thread used to sew the tabs is the same as used to attach the unusual eagle ? But a photo with the eagle would be better....perhaps Hanhard will find one, and the time of the Officer's arrival to Afrika ?

This group was split up more than once and i wonder if it wasn't cherry-picked ? the original standard tropical 3rd pattern officer upgrade tunic and the M40 cap worn in Afrika may still be together somewhere ?

[Tim O'Keefe]

Another member sent me a better scan of the image in post #25 upper...you can clearly see the eagle attached in this unusual way, thanks

Now let's see if we can find his arrival in Afrika ?

[Lukasz78]

Hi guys, i wasn't here for a long time, but now i'm preparing to sell this very rare and unique set, because i need some funds for expand of my polish collection.
Here is another photo, which IMHO is good for closing the discusion.
I will soon put this set on e-stand

[Tim O'Keefe]

You keep the group together, all of it for sale ? so he was in Afrika how long ? five days ?

[Lukasz78]

You keep the group together, all of it for sale ? so he was in Afrika how long ? five days ?

No, he was a long time in Africa i have more scans of photos with him in africa, but i show only photos which belongs to me.