Two Cap eagles ID and opinion

[skalphunter]

Would appreciate your help to ID and opinion on those 2 eagles.

No.1 RZM M 1/58 wingspan 5,5 cm height 3,6 cm
No.2 RZM M 1/8 wingspan 6,5 cm height 3,2 cm

skalp

[skalphunter]

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[skalphunter]

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[skalphunter]

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[skalphunter]

Any suggestions ??

[Jean-Claude]

Hi Skalp

Since nobody else is responding I'll venture an opinion (for what its worth...)

No. 1 - Is a nice M35 pattern (I think) government/admin type eagle in aluminum as worn by various government organizations like Reichpost, Reichsforstbeamt, Zollbeamt (excuse my lowsy german) etc. until 1945 and exists in gold and silver colour in a few different sizes for different applications. From what I can see,the bottom prong/pin is not missing on yours it was never there even if the die was designed to accomodate 3 pins: its not an uncommon occurence on these. The M 1/58 RZM would make it a M. Kutsch (of Attendorn) product.

No. 2- Is a nice M39 (4th) pattern NSDAP type eagle in silvered tombac (oval plates for pins) as worn by the SA. A gold version exists for wear by political leaders and also Marine SA I beleive and was also in use until the end of the war. The M 1/8 RZM would link it to Ferdinand Wagner of Pforzheim. This bird type can also be found in cupal, aluminum and zink/pot metal

Hope this helps a bit but wait for other opinions to be sure

JC

[NickG]

I agree with that opinion. Since this is the armed forces section (army) and these are not military eagles you might want to move this topic to the civil-police (forestry-reichspost Reichsbahn etc..) and/or political forum section (NSDSAP and SA) for more expert opinions, but to me no doubt they are original. Nice catch!

[skalphunter]

I really appreciate your response and thank you very much for your opinion on those eagles.
skalp