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I would welcome the views of the forum. Is this badge original please?
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Is this original or fake please?...
Thank you.Comment
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What, nobody knows?.....Comment
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Eighty looks and no comments so far, imo it looks like a poor cast copy
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Well there are known ones out there but this one just looks like a bad copy to me. You can search on the forum and there are a few examples that are shown in different threads. That said, I wouldn't want this one in my collection. MattComment
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Thank you both for responding to my post.
If you see or have an original to sell please contact me...
Again, many thanks
KeithComment
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Keith,
one was posted on the estand with a grouping of stuff several years ago and I just missed out on it. They are out there, you just need to rub some elbows with folks that collect the stuff and every now and again a little luck and thing can be had. The problem with these is that they were never officially made so all require a bit of a leap of faith and some collectors run aways at the thought of that. MattComment
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Matt is correct, they are not an officially issued piece; so, this can pose a lot of problems.Originally posted by afrikasandman View PostComment
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I agree with all comments made here - and I would add that the known originals were probably made by the one manufacturer due to the number actually made...so any deviations from these examples should be looked at with suspicion. I would also be honoured to be a caretaker of an original - there is a long queue out there.....
Regards,
Mark
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However Mark,Originally posted by NZMark View Post
what about the examples made by the Arabs. As you know, we encounter WW2 "NZ Onwards" badges that are sand cast and were made over in North Africa by Arab Bizarre makers on order to replace lost badges.
Then there are those badges that units formed over in North Africa had made from scratch such as the LRDG. Even the most desirable of all LRDG badges are made from Arab silver with correct silver marks for that part of the world.
The German had their DAK service rings made in the Arab Bizarre from a range of Arab silvers, gold, nickel & brass. Why not some of these "288 SVB" from a sand cast source at the time.
If it was mine, I would be holding on to it and seriously comparing with some of the UK & Brit. Empire badges made in North Africa in WW2 & WW1.
It is such a shocking casting it has every chance of being right. I have seen some NZ badges directly from African veterans just as bad,
Chris
p.s. to show what i am saying. Here is one of the rarest NZ WW1 badges that there is. When it comes to these, sandcasting is a positive. Here is what they said about it;
"Anyone spending more money on a 42mm piece of brass than you would on a 65 inch t.v ,is either committed or has been committed.And its sure hard to write in a straightjacket.
This is an original 15th and 16th(New Zealand) company of the Imperial Camel Corps cap badge .It was sandcast in Egypt during W.W.1 .This is an exceedingly rare badge with only up to 15 original examples known in existence.You might ask why out of a unit of 12 officers and 338 other ranks, only 15 badges exist.Well ,all of the troopers were taken from the ranks of the NZMR to form the 15th and 16th companies ,and most would have worn their regimental badge .
This example was originally part of David Corbetts collection(authour of ''The Regimental Badges of New Zealand),and was in grave danger of being sent to an english auction house.It is a very desireable badge on the international market and would have fetched more money there, than in New Zealand."Last edited by 90th Light; 02-21-2015, 07:13 PM.Comment
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Surely you meant to say Arab Bazaar. This badge with its crudeness and lack of craftsmanship and cheap spray paint finish would more aptly be described as "bizarre".Comment
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You are correct OSS, I typed in haste, other more important things calling to be done at the time.Originally posted by OSS View Post
Also you might be right about the post war "cheap spray finish", or are you when it comes to what the Arab made at that time ?
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Here is one of mine (LRDG badge), converted to a sweethearts badge - gold plated and changed to pin back in Egypt.
Gold plated? Wow...that explains the texturing. Does it also cover the die flaw?
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See images below and more here; http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=650268
As far as "crudeness and lack of craftsmanship" goes, you want to see the badges that my uncle gave me that he wore across North Africa from 1942 to 43 and on into Italy. His original uniform & badges were lost in a retreat November 1941. Some Arab sand cast badges certainly left a lot to be desired.
Keep in mind too, there were a reasonable number Arab volunteers attached to and serving in "287 or 288 SVB". Not all of them could get German made insignia because of supply challenges, but they still took pride in being part of and recognised as that unit,
ChrisLast edited by 90th Light; 02-22-2015, 12:30 AM.Comment
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Images of Arabs in " III Battalion 287 or 288th German Special Regiment ", circa 1943Originally posted by 90th Light View PostLast edited by 90th Light; 02-22-2015, 12:31 AM.Comment
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