M42 Combat Tunic with M36 collar

[zwiktuut]

Hi Guy's

Recently bought this nice jacket on the E-stand.

The sellers opinion was that the insignia were period time placed. I agreed first seeing the pics. But now have seen it hands ons IMO they (eagle & chevron) are postwar placed. If you have additional comment please share!

Do you agree?
Thanks in progress!

[Sonderkommando]

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How could you ever tell if they were replaced wartime or postwar?

Modern 100% cotton thread seems thinner today than back then, the thread used to sew the insignia on seems like thicker wartime thread.
Do a burn test to make sure it's not modern thread, but other than that I doubt you'll ever know for sure.

IMO though the eagle/chevron look wartime replaced, the collar tabs postwar replaced.


Brett

[zwiktuut]

How could you ever tell if they were replaced wartime or postwar?

Modern 100% cotton thread seems thinner today than back then, the thread used to sew the insignia on seems like thicker wartime thread.
Do a burn test to make sure it's not modern thread, but other than that I doubt you'll ever know for sure.

IMO though the eagle/chevron look wartime replaced, the collar tabs postwar replaced.


Brett

Hi Brett, Thanks for your respone! I also think the collar tabs are postwar replaced

Here a pic of the inside arm with the stitching of the chevron;


It has the same stitching than the eagle, it looked to me odd that they were replaced both period time, but possible. At the other side they have IMO the sunken look.
So very hard to say, altough i had the feeling and a 2 fellow collectors that it was post war attached. That's why i opened the discussion for more opnions.
With the burn test you mean that if it burns easy and quickly with the smell of burned paper it is period time thread?

Outside the insignia question i like the tunic allot and IMO a nice been there piece!

[Rogerd]

Eagle is replaced IMHO. So chevron with the same thread also.

This is probaly the 3th eagle on this tunic. First one must have been the factory applied one. Second one was also placed during the war, sewn through the lining, probaly when they pimped the jacket to an early model, then gave it an early eagle.
3th time the eagle was placed post war IMO.

[jacquesf]

I sold this tunic, which I got from Bill Shea with his COA and write up on the tunic. He had it in hand and has a lot of of experience in tunics and insignia and I believe his assessment would be accurate. The buyer is in possesion of the COA. IMO it is a period modification with the m36 collar and insignia added.

If the buyer does not want the tunic, he is more than welcome to return it as per the e-stand rules. Jacques

[zwiktuut]

The COA of Bill Shea say's that the collar tabs have been resewn and the eagle has been professionaly applied, the chevron nicely applied. It doesn't say anything about period applying... So he leaves it in the middle and doesnt conclude anything. You could interpret it as period or postwar....

I want to know what i have in hands for so far it can be said for sure. So that's why i posted it here.

=jacquesf;5964463]I sold this tunic, which I got from Bill Shea with his COA and write up on the tunic. He had it in hand and has a lot of of experience in tunics and insignia and I believe his assessment would be accurate. The buyer is in possesion of the COA. IMO it is a period modification with the m36 collar and insignia added.

If the buyer does not want the tunic, he is more than welcome to return it as per the e-stand rules. Jacques

[Dmv]

I want to know what i have in hands for so far it can be said for sure. So that's why i posted it here.

Why have you not discussed it before you bought it?
For me all insignia have been reapplied.
Why a drillich chevron with LW tresse? Should be a subdued Heer i.m.o.

[zwiktuut]

Why have you not discussed it before you bought it?
For me all insignia have been reapplied.
Why a drillich chevron with LW tresse? Should be a subdued Heer i.m.o.

My first opinion was period apllied when seeing the photo's and with the description on the e-stand it said all insignia were original to the tunic! But now seeing i it hands on my opinion is post war attached. Thats the reason of posting.

[poppo]

Hello
My opinion was...all the insignia are post war added...
You can see very clearly the mark left by the old sewing Litzen "under the collar" ....
The breast eagle is too raised to be sewn in war time period!
Sorry but not for me.

[Hofstetter]

I think it's quite obvious , even just from the photo's that they are not original applied.

No hands on inspection needed IMO.

[frank savage]

Hi there!

BMS (aka by my side), the jacket is post war put toghter. One of the evidence are the boards loops, made in other wool than the jacket. Most of the time is the evidence that the jacket was surviving the WWII without any insignia, because when those garment became to be stripped for civilian use, loops are the first things, with the eagle, to leave the jacket. It is wouldn't be the rule, but is a thing I have notice lots of time on first hand find. All things are nicely aged, but in my opinion sewn after the war. It's clear also by the eagle seam. It was originally sewed through the lining (quite common on jacket of this period), as shows by the jacket reverse, and hand re-sewn in unspecified time in the post-war eve...

Best,

[zwiktuut]

I think it's quite obvious , even just from the photo's that they are not original applied.

No hands on inspection needed IMO.

Were only few pics with regular quality. But case is closed, Jaques was very flexible in making an agreement!

And not to forget my thanks for the people who posted their expertise!