Opinions needed on generals insignia

[brannow]

Hi All,

Can I get some pinions on these insignia? They look good to me but I want to be 100% sure.

Thanks in advance,

Bill Rannow
Mpls, MN

[Bob Hritz]

Insignia looks original, but the sewing to the uniform does not. Shoulder boards are in backwards (reversed sides) and the eagle is poorly sewn. For generals, I like to see machine sewing or perfect invisible stitch hand sewing.

bob Hritz

[Richard P]

Bill,

I agree with Bob, the insignia looks original. I assume the tabs are hand sewn behind and almost appear to be laying on top of the collar, definitely not machine sewn on. The gold bullion embroidery on the tabs looks rather odd on the tips of the pattern where they come to a point. Never quite seen any like them.

The boards do not look professionally applied.

The eagle looks rather scraggly (missing wool above wings) and is poorly sewn. Overall photos of the tunic would probably help in an overall assessment.

Richard

[brannow]

Hi Guys,

Thanks!! I believe the shoulder boards are right its just the way I held the coat while taking the pics. There is no evidence of other tabs being sewn on to the collar. The Generals name is on the lable in the pocket.

Thanks again!

[Richard P]

Bill,

Has this one been posted before to your knowledge?

Richard

[brannow]

Hi Richard,

No.

[steiner99]

I like also the insignias, but for me the complet tunic is put together.
I don't beleave the tunic was a general officer before 1945!

The tabs are in the wrong position. They should be diagonal to the seam.
Compare them with many other original tunics and you will see the different.

[DonC]

Quit teasing us, Bill - show the whole tunic!

Don

[Johnny R]

I may have seen this before but not on the forum. Was it for sale recently?

[brannow]

Here are the long awaited pictures of the tunic. Sorry for the delay. I would like some opinions.

Thanks in advance,

Bill Rannow
Mpls, MN

[naxos]

The 1939 EK II ribbon in the button hole is incorrect was certainly added recently.

[Ian Hulley]

Good morning Bill, to me this is a stripped and rebadged tunic, to and from what and when would be the questions I would want answering. The insignia may have been found in the pocket for all we know but other more sinister motives may also apply.

I hope you don't mind but I took the liberty of editing one of your images to show where I see the shadows of where collar tabs were previously on this tunic ...

There are also anomolies with the EKII ribbon ... it should be the 1914 ribbon with a 1939 spange (bar), also the hole in the pocket for a screwback EKI and the loops for it's bar are too close together to work. The ribbon bar is also incorrect, lacking the small device for a 1939 EKII and (I believe) the service medal should be before the Anschluss & Sudetenland medals and for the owner to have fought in WWI and WWII he would have had lots more service ribbons.

I hope this helps.

Ian

[DJenkins]

Hi Bill
From what I see I think everythings looks good (insignia and tunic). BUT this tunic was not only sloppy rebadged but sloppy (re)piped.
All in all a poor try IMO to upgrade a stripped officers field tunic with Generals insignia.
Dave

[Alan_G]

There are also anomolies with the EKII ribbon ... it should be the 1914 ribbon with a 1939 spange (bar), also the hole in the pocket for a screwback EKI and the loops for it's bar are too close together to work. The ribbon bar is also incorrect, lacking the small device for a 1939 EKII and (I believe) the service medal should be before the Anschluss & Sudetenland medals and for the owner to have fought in WWI and WWII he would have had lots more service ribbons.

I hope this helps.

Ian[/QUOTE]

The ribbon bar is incorrect as pointed out here.

But the Iron Cross 1914-18 ribbon did not always have the 1939 clasp. As it was against the regulations to wear the same award twice. For example if the General wore the clasp on his 2nd button hole ribbon, then it was unnecessary to be displayed twice again on the ribbon bar. But these rules were constantly broken.

Along with an incorrect order of presedance, the ribbon bar is also missing a 1934 Honour Cross (Hindenburg Kreuz).

[DonC]

The rear view of the piped cuffs in post ten shows some very odd construction with regard to the attachment of the piping. For a piped general's service tunic, I do not think the material or the construction is really up to the standard we usually see on GO uniform items.

Don