Mint HBT tunic for sale Need to be discussed

[Soldat de Fer]

Hello To all
There is for sale in the estand right now a mint HBT tunic and IMHO NEEDS to be discussed, I believe it to be a high end reproduction, look at the HBT weave on the reverse EXACTLY the same as the front, which as we all now, is a sign of the unfamous HSC copies/fakes .
I can not copy the link !!!
Regards
P-Y

[derka]

i see what you mean Pierre-Yves.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=465497

for comparizon,
the one for sale on estand :



another i consider original :



better close wiews of both sides of the tunic for sale would help to make an opinion,
and a close wiew of the selveedge of its center seam in the back too (isn't it Richard ? ).

derka

[David Fettes]

I too believe the one listed for sale is a copy, based on the material views and the selveedge.

[mayer]

I may be wrong from these photos, but this tunic its a good one for me!

[Glenn McInnes]

this tunic its a good one!

Looks OK to me as well.






Glenn

[David Fettes]

Like I said, based on the photos the material is fake. The method of construction of the back also looks wrong.

[derka]

althought focused on hbt wraps, imho this thread should be kept in mind :

http://70.87.163.50/forums/showthrea...bt+panzer+wrap

derka

[David Fettes]

althought focused on hbt wraps, imho this thread should be kept in mind :

http://70.87.163.50/forums/showthrea...bt+panzer+wrap

derka

Correct the same rules apply for just about all drill tunics, wraps and the like.

[km-spain]

I can not say too much about the tunic and its construction, but always that I see a piece with RBNr code I try to look for the maker information in my list, and this time it's there , first time for an uniform.

0/1111/0001 - Ernmerich Machoid - Freudenthal (Sudetenl.) - Emmerich Machoid Strasse 10 - Mechanische Weberei, Bleiche, Färberei u. Appretur (Mechanical weaving mill, bleaches, dry cleaners and finished)

So this maker seems that did not make uniforms. If label is not good, and it dopesn't lokk ood for me not only for the maker code, the tunic probably either not.

[alexandre]

A good one for me, the constructon of the "HSC" fake is different.
Maybe it's time to don't consider the rule of "same weave outside/inside"
like not true all the time.
This tunic has some characteristics of the original IMO not seen on repro..
I can be wrong but my feeling is positive about this one

[David Fettes]

Right people think about this........

The material is wrong.
The selvage is not there.
The RBNr is from a company that didnt make unifroms.


One thing wrong with the piece....yeah I could live with that....but three?

[Willi Z.]

Can we see a photo of the markings?

[Soldat de Fer]

Hello
The features on the reverse are too obvious to me, none of the horizontal line typical of original HBT material, are visible in any of the pictures, also, take not of the HBT weave shape, a more elongated version on fakes (HSC) versus a more typical cone shape on originals ( usually smaller weave as well) . Regarding the "thing" about front versus back, it simply due to the result of the weaving machine at the time .
Are we seeing the new generations of fake HBT ?
A similar tunic ( and the pants !!!) but in the LW version, as near perfect as this one, was mentioned in this forum a while back .
A side to side pictures of both side would help .
Regards
P-Y

[Milan Gard]

Can we see a photo of the markings?

RBNr number and size numbers on tunic are same as on paper tag

[derka]

a clear wiew of the center seam would help.
after that detail clarified, everybody will be able to make his own opinion.
derka