Originally posted by Naval Enigma
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Okay. Thanks Richard.
Here are some of my thoughts. PLEASE correct me if I am wrong.
To me the Pz skulls pushed through collar are a good sign. In my mind that means the tabs are factory sewn (I read they are sewn on blank w/o skulls and issued to qualified Pz personnel who then place the skulls.) Resewn tabs would likely not have the pins through the entire collar.
So what makes this the real deal to summarize:
1. Factory sewn tabs w/ Luftwaffe white piping (unique to LW ground forces.)
2. Luftwaffe acceptance stamps -- The LBA number as opposed to a Heer RB number.
3. Factory sewn Luftwaffe eagle on correct grey/blue backing.
And if it was an early wrap it would have white collar piping.
A cufftitle, if present, would correspond to the Herman Goering Division.
This is a very exciting and clean set. I am sure it will find a loving home.
Here are some of my thoughts. PLEASE correct me if I am wrong.
To me the Pz skulls pushed through collar are a good sign. In my mind that means the tabs are factory sewn (I read they are sewn on blank w/o skulls and issued to qualified Pz personnel who then place the skulls.) Resewn tabs would likely not have the pins through the entire collar.
So what makes this the real deal to summarize:
1. Factory sewn tabs w/ Luftwaffe white piping (unique to LW ground forces.)
2. Luftwaffe acceptance stamps -- The LBA number as opposed to a Heer RB number.
3. Factory sewn Luftwaffe eagle on correct grey/blue backing.
And if it was an early wrap it would have white collar piping.
A cufftitle, if present, would correspond to the Herman Goering Division.
This is a very exciting and clean set. I am sure it will find a loving home.
You are spending way too much time typing...ha ha.
The skulls through the collar are just one of many things to take into consideration. None are foolproof. The best indicator of tabs being originally sewn is the stitching itself. I have a number of examples of tabs that are either private tailored with the skulls on first, and even some factory with skulls on first. It's a good place to start, but there are always exceptions to almost every rule we come up with. I think quite a few came from the depot with TK's on.
1. The white piping is actually unique to HG formations and Heer Grossdeutschland Wach and Fuhrer Begleit battalions. I don't believe LW ground forces used white. I will be corrected if wrong.
2. No #2 is better left for the LW markings experten.
3. I don't know if I would use the word...correct. HG panzer eagles would usually have a black backing, but they may not have been available at the time or place when this wrap was made. The eagles on blue gray are acceptable on almost any LW garment, but not always the most desirable ( i e color matching background).
Most HG wraps do NOT have collar piping, at least the ones that survived. There are quite a few in photos that do, and plenty that don't. It was personal preference (special order for extra marks) and what was available from the shop/manufacturer, etc. It's all conjecture on our parts anyway. All we know is what we see left, basically, plus period photos.
Richard
Here is the way you would like to see one on an E.M. wrap, factory sewn.
The Luftwaffe field divisions actually were mandated to switch to white waffenfarbe after the take over by the Heer. I don't think that this was ever thoroughly implemented. However, there is the possibility that some things sans cufftitle that have been identified as HG were in reality FD. Either way, a very rare piece. In this case, that would not apply to this set. It is a stunning HG wrapper set. I gotta go shake the coins out of the couch.
(EM-->officer-upgraded + EM insignia btw)
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