Help with Waffenfarbe (colour of branch) please

[Johannes Schoen]

Hello,

I would like to clear the following two questions regarding the use of certain Waffenfarben on collar tabs and shoulder straps of the Heer. At first some dates as basis for the questions (after Schlicht/Angolia).


New Waffenfarben in 1939:

July 6<SUP>th</SUP> 1939; Starting with September 19<SUP>th</SUP> 1939
Wiesengrün (Schützenregimenter, Kradschützenbataillone)
Kupferbraun (Aufklärungsabteilungen)
September 26<SUP>th</SUP> this order is cancelled


During the war the following new Waffenfarben were introduced:

Hellbraun, 23.12.1939 (Baueinheiten)
Kupferbraun, 28.10.1941 (Kradschützenbataillone, Radfahrabteilungen)
Hellgrau, 25.01.1943 (Propaganda)
Wiesengrün, 25.03.1943 (Panzergrenadiere)


Collar Tabs for field blouse EM/NCO Heer

26.11.1938 General Sevice tabs with darkgreen stripes instead of Waffenfarbe
09.05.1940 General Sevice tabs with mouse grey stripes instead of Waffenfarbe
starting ca. 1940 tabs sewn directly to collar without darkgreen backing


Shoulder straps EM/NCO Heer

26.11.1938 straps with rounded ends and piping for field blouse
18.03.1939 production of pointed straps has to end
starting Mai 1940 straps fieldgrey instead of darkgreen


Questions

1). After the introduction of the general service collar tabs on 26.11.1938 there should be no production of collar tabs with Waffenfarbe. Therefore there should be no EM/NCO collar tabs with the following Waffenfarben:

Light Brown/Hellbraun (introduced 1939)
Copper Brown/Kupferbraun (introduced short 1939, then 1941)
Light Grey/Hellgrau (introduced 1943)
Grass Green/Wiesengrün (introduced short 1939, then 1943)

Is this correct or do such pieces exist?


2). After the introduction of EM/NCO shoulder straps from fieldgrey fabric around May 1940 there should be no production of darkgreen straps with the following Waffenfarben:

Copper Brown/Kupferbraun (introduced short 1939, then 1941)
Light Grey/Hellgrau (introduced 1943)
Grass Green/Wiesengrün (introduced short 1939, then 1943)

Is this correct or do such pieces exist?


Sorry for this complicated stuff. Thank You in advance

Johannes.

[Johannes Schoen]

Auf geht's Männer!

I know these are not the most interesting questions. But maybe You can help anyway. To make the boring stuff above short:

Does anyone have or know EM/NCO colar tabs with branch of service colour:
Light Brown/Hellbraun (introduced 1939)
Copper Brown/Kupferbraun (introduced short 1939, then 1941)
Light Grey/Hellgrau (introduced 1943)
Grass Green/Wiesengrün (introduced short 1939, then 1943)


Does anyone have or know darkgreen EM/NCO shoulder straps with branch of service colour:
Copper Brown/Kupferbraun (introduced short 1939, then 1941)
Light Grey/Hellgrau (introduced 1943)
Grass Green/Wiesengrün (introduced short 1939, then 1943)

Thank You
Johannes