Panzer skulls - Help needed

[Dmv]

I'm reasured! Already knew, have a pair myself.

But still MisterX please give your opinion why they would be fake? So what's this Sandman guy been up to?

[90th Light]

The skulls which started this thread are most likely part of a shop hoard which was found. There were at least 3 styles of skulls found and this style was one of them plus other good items were found as well such as mint late war Assmann General Assault Badges marked "A 1", "A 2", "A 3", "A 4" and even some others. These General Assault Badges were one of the most amazing finds of late war marked "A" badges ever.

More skulls plus Panzer collar tabs were also found in the following "FLL 43" PAB hoard find.

While many advanced Panzer collectors are weary of these two prong skulls because they seem late war and are not seen very often until these shop hoard finds, the feeling is that they are correct and period esp. when one considers the quality of the other badges found with them.

An interesting variation period example of the time, Chris

[MisterX]

Yes, the skull is from the Berlin hoard. And we have dicussed it in the SS forum...again, and again and again.

Why no german dealer bought anythink from the hoard found? He is on every show with boxes full of them???? He also has wound badges, flight clasp... - but no dealer buy anythink ????

The skulls from the found are fake, if you belive me or not - but thats the true !

[MisterX]

I'm reasured! Already knew, have a pair myself.

But still MisterX please give your opinion why they would be fake? So what's this Sandman guy been up to?

THe pins with the "Riffelung" are fakes.

[Sergeant 08]

Why no german dealer bought anythink from the hoard found? He is on every show with boxes full of them???? He also has wound badges, flight clasp... - but no dealer buy anythink ????

The skulls from the found are fake, if you belive me or not - but thats the true !

I believe in my eyes and not in a story. If you do not like the skulls, it is ok. We do not need to have the same opinion.

PS: The dealers, the dealers.....

[90th Light]

Is this thread about the shop hoard Panzer skulls with two fold prongs or the Berlin ground dug KR5/ SS type ???

Because to be honest it is a little confusing to say the least. Started out as Panzer type for the collar tab but seems to now have become totally focused on the Berlin ground dug type which is for the cap ???

Chris

[tgn]

I can tell you one thing, IF those 2-prong panzer skulls are late war originals, they were never used on wraps during the war, and if I saw them used on a wrap, I would consider them to be replacements.

But could they be some previously unknown original late war example, sure.

Tom

[MisterX]

I believe in my eyes and not in a story. If you do not like the skulls, it is ok. We do not need to have the same opinion.

PS: The dealers, the dealers.....

I can buy them on every show. Please let me knoe how much you want. Price is 35.-. No problems to buy 100 or more.

[90th Light]

I can tell you one thing, IF those 2-prong panzer skulls are late war originals, they were never used on wraps during the war, and if I saw them used on a wrap, I would consider them to be replacements.

But could they be some previously unknown original late war example, sure.

Tom

Yes indeed,

these collar tab Panzer skulls seem to be in the same league as the grey 7x50 "rln" binos, balkan marker flags and dachau SS Panzer M43 caps to name but 3 other late war made but rarely confirmed from combat used situation items.

I suppose we could label them the M44 or M45 of Panzer skulls. Nice simplified 1944 type production which eliminates some production steps by not requiring the pins to be seperately attached and thus increases productivity & output,

Chris

[LuckyStrike23]

I can tell you one thing, IF those 2-prong panzer skulls are late war originals, they were never used on wraps during the war, and if I saw them used on a wrap, I would consider them to be replacements.

But could they be some previously unknown original late war example, sure.

Tom

I have seen at least one Pz-grouping including a pair of panzer collar tabs with such skulls. So I am convinced they were used at the end of the war. I own also a mint pair in aluminium which came most likely from the hort found.

[tgn]

I have seen at least one Pz-grouping including a pair of panzer collar tabs with such skulls. So I am convinced they were used at the end of the war.

Or just as likely applied post war to replace missing skulls...

Tom

[LuckyStrike23]

I have seen this skull pattern on many wraps, but with 2 "stamped in" prongs. (I hope you understand what I mean) Here is an example (wrapper from 1942):
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/FORU...d.php?t=437574

Somewhen during the war they changed production from "stamped in" prongs to "stamp in one piece" skulls. This was not the only pattern where that happend and I see no reason why this pattern should be never issued.

[MisterX]

btw

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=panzer

[tgn]

I have seen this skull pattern on many wraps, but with 2 "stamped in" prongs.

Yes, and most of those 2-stamped prong versions are fake, commonly used by dealers to complete a wrap when they don't want to pay for originals.

But heck, if you like those, have at 'em. For me, whenever I see those skulls, I start having serious doubts about the whole wrap.

BTW, there is a 3-stamped pointed prong version that is very original and often seen on original wraps...

Tom

[panzer_erc]

I agree with MisterX, IMO the skulls are late war originals. it is just my opinion.