Loops under tunic collar.....

[bobcam1]

While dusting, cleaning, checking for the fun of it, today, I noticed these loops under the collar of my Kavallerie Tunic, that I hadn't noticed, before. They are both distinct loops, and are of the same thread as the award loops on the tunic front.

Can anyone tell me their purpose? I hope these pics are sufficient. If not, please let me know.

Cheers,
Bob.

[NickG]

Knights cross would be exciting!

[JuanS]

Hi

Is the tunic named?. KC would be awesome, but there were other neck decorations. many foreing countrie decorations were also weared on the neck

good luck

Juan

[Johnny R]

That is a typical RK type set up and it looks like under the larger loop there is pressure evident on hte felt from something rubbing. It could be for a KVK neck order as well but the RK is the most likely. Now all you have to do is figure out if it was period and not done for collector display. If it was from a family etc. or if you can trace it back to the War/Vet you are in good shape Does it go throguh the collar or was the stitching done in the same thread as the collar when it was appiled to the jacket body? If it is all the same thread that is a good sign too, especially if the loops are not sewn through the collar.

[bobcam1]

Under an illuminated loupe, the thread for these loops appears identical to the thread used to attach the collar to the tunic, and the stitching does NOT go through the collar to the inside (photo). The circle in the photo, depicts where the loop is, on the other side.
I don't have the history of the tunic, and it is not named, anywhere that I can see. I certainly wish that it was.....There are no labels in the tunic at all.

I am contacting the trusted seller to see if he has any further information. The tunic was not represented to me as the tunic of a Ritterkreuztrager, just as a Kavallerie Officer's Tunic.

Thanks for the information. Hopefully I will have something more to add, if I manage to get more information.

Cheers,
Bob.

[Johnny R]

If the loops were added when the jacket was made and before the collar was applied you are golden as far as if it is period. You can try to track it back. I bought a tunic named to an RK and the seller did not know either. It happens. It amazes me people over look this stuff but it is fortunate for those who are attentive. Are there period unit numbers? If it is for an AA officer you might be able to figure it out quickly.

[FSR]

What a nice tunic Bob. Do you have RK to display with?
Francisco

[PaulR]

What is the rank? Are there cyphers on the shoulder boards?

[bobcam1]

I have pics of the complete tunic in this thread:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...Cavalry&page=2

If anyone would like specific pics, please let me know.....

Cheers,
Bob.

[bobcam1]

What is the rank? Are there cyphers on the shoulder boards?

It's the tunic of a Hauptmann.....Just pips, no cyphers....

[bobcam1]

What a nice tunic Bob. Do you have RK to display with?
Francisco

Francisco,
I have a full set of post-war Souval RK's (Grand Cross, Swords and Oaks, Oaks only and plain)....I may modify a ribbon, in order to display the tunic with an RK...

[Johnny R]

This is another possibility not in any of the reference books I thought we should explore-

[stonemint]

I don't mean to be a bubble-buster, but wouldn't there be some wear to the top button from the RK?

[Johnny R]

I don't mean to be a bubble-buster, but wouldn't there be some wear to the top button from the RK?

In the hypothetical most officers had several tunics, if this was a walking out example made after the award etc. probably not. He may have been killed two months after getting it as well. Recce is very dangerous way to make a living. I think they are for the bib myself. Please post the entire tunic.

[bobcam1]

I don't mean to be a bubble-buster, but wouldn't there be some wear to the top button from the RK?

no worries about bubble-busting.... That's a completely valid point!

You prompted me to look closely at the buttons.....The top button has only the slightest wear. It looks as though the pebbles are only slightly more worn than the other buttons, but I will have to wait for better light to get pics that can show the VERY slight difference.....It's barely discernible, and might only be from buttoning and unbuttoning.....