Gentlemen, your opinions wanted. came from an other collector. seems to me like a early one.
Special is the fabric wich the pockets are made from....
Special is the fabric wich the pockets are made from....
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Pre-war Dutch trousers reworked for German issue IMO.Comment
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what s significant for your conclusion. Do you have a similar model?Comment
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ok, many thanks. any more?Comment
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id like to advise, there are no markings in the interior to find. yours has it dutch quater mark...Comment
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The hook at the top of the fly as well as the material the pockets are made out of inside are exactly the same. This pattern of fly closure with the hook at the top and no top button is atypical for German construction IMO. The rear belt looks the same to me as well. Unfortunately I no longer own those breeches and cannot take more or better pictures.Comment
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I see it differently.
I would need to really be able to see the color shade to make any guess as to if these are Dutch or not. Too me they appear to be much more feldgrau rather then Dutch green. I also think (but I am no expert) that most all Dutch uniforms called for breeches and for EM semi-breeches...not long trousers.
These are for sure private made and not issue/contract whatever the country and era.
The metal buttons appear to be similar if not identical to WWI era German metal buttons....a few kinds were used then and these are typical to one type.
Generally feldgrau was only used for trousers after 1939 and from 1908-1914 and again from part of 1917-1920 (or so)...otherwise trousers were made in in a couple of shades of stonegray. Most early Imperial trousers were red piped, most or many later Imperial examples were not.
Much about these strike me as earlier than 3rd Reich...mainly the materials, several other details strike me as much later than Imperial era....but being private made either odditiy could be explained I guess.
Bottom line is I do not know when they were made...but I would look at both possibilities and see if I could eliminate one of the possibilities.Comment
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HelloOriginally posted by phild View Post
I would have to agree here , they look WW1 to me , or at least post WW1 .
Are there any evidences of a piping removed on the sides ?
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No, it doesn t seem like there has ever been a piping before. The buttons on the seam are WW1 and marked C.L.J.M on the rear. The way the trousers are made, especialy the details of stiching seems like a pivate tailor work to me. Back then made of current available stocks, like WW1 buttons, perhaps dutch buckles....
Friend of mine who saw those trousers had the conclusion....
many thanks for your interessting comments. Is there need of close ups?Comment
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I'm not sure that the buckle is Dutch in origin. Even if it is that does not rule out either WWI era or WWII German manufacture.
I believe that it was very common for red piping to be omitted on German feldgrau trousers that were produced the last year or two of WWI (Bavaria re-adopted Feldgrau trousers in late 1916, Prussia followed in 1917) and this may have carried over to private purchase trousers as well.
I also think that the weave of the fabric is a little unusual for WWII era cloth...even more so with private purchase.Comment
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...to get on the e stand nowComment
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