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    #16
    Leather Panzer Wrapper /

    What makes this not an NSKK jacke? Same pattern, same cut, same buttons on left breast for lamp,same double set of buttons on other side. Michael

    Originally posted by Colorado View Post
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      #17
      Looks like NSKK to me - just like 90% of the leather "Panzer" wrappers offered.

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        #18
        Leather Panzer Wrapper

        Yes, unless the ones made for the KM and Panzers were identical to NSKK jacke, then these sure look like KSKK and nothing more. Still cool, still could have been used by Panzer/

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          #19
          Leather jacket uniform wrap PROSSNITZ Kriegsmarine Wehrmacht SS Panzer

          Enjoy the pics of this jacket. Just one question: what are the markings on the back of the button of the other PROSSNITZ wraps please?

          PICT0432.jpg

          PICT0445.jpg

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            #20
            Kriegsmarine black leather jacket kleinkampfmittel

            A jacket als posted above was worn in Holland by the K-Flottille 312 in Januari 1945 on board of Seehund midget subs.

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              #21
              Interesting, NSKK, KM or Heer Panzer?
              A German dealer sold a mint set a year ago and also described it as a special sonder uniform for the KM minisubs:
              "Sonderbekleidung für Besatzungen der Klein-U-Boote
              Kommando der Kleinkampfverbände"
              Does someone have any pics of Kleinkampfverband use? Intesting theory!
              WW2 for sure but leather was getting scarce at the end so sonderverband use makes sence to me.
              And by any other tank soldier if he could get his hands on a set! Pics proove this.
              Kapitein

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                #22
                All the jackes I have seen are made by a Czech company Rudolf Hinne in Prosnitz a village known for cloth industry in CZ. Hinne was an early NSDAP member in CZ and could get his hands on the clothing companies from former Jewish owners and also produced for the Germans. He was arrested in April 45 but was later released and sent to US zone of occupation because of his German origin.

                All these leather coats are wartime produced but the issue purposes remain unclear

                Kapitein

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                  #23
                  Interesting thread, learn something every day. Jacques

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                    #24
                    Kriegsmarine black leather jacket kleinkampfmittel

                    kapitein
                    The use by the Kleinkampmittel is not a theory, but a fact. A picture taken on the 1st of January 1945, the day of the Operation DEBUT,clearly shows this jacket worn by the whole group of Seehund Fahrer, with the two buttons on the left (removed but traces visible on the jacket above). It is pictured in the book "Klein venijn", by Cor Heijkoop, ISBN 978-90-72838-47-6, page 53. I am not sure if I can post it without his permission because the picture is owned by an individual collector.

                    I look forward finding more proof of these facts in other books or pictures.

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                      #25
                      Kriegsmarine black leather jacket kleinkampfmittel

                      PS this only proffs that these jacket was worn by the Kriegsmarine, and does not excluded any use by other forces of course

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                        #26
                        Just scan and post that picture please of this jacket in sonderverband use and tell its from that book. For educational and historical study purposes!
                        Im sure the author will accept and be happy to contibute!
                        Kapitein

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                          #27
                          nice picture KM use

                          found this KM-jacket type in pic used by mini-sub men in post 73 of thread :

                          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...t=24740&page=5

                          Kapitein

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by glaser View Post
                            PS this only proffs that these jacket was worn by the Kriegsmarine, and does not excluded any use by other forces of course
                            I agree with you in all of your posts. The linked photo in the post above shows this as do a number of other late war photos of KM use connected to these mini-subs and I would bet that at least officers on other other types of vessels wore them on a limited basis when they could get them.

                            Also there is a good shot of a captured soldier riding in a truck in the much posted film clip of the surrender in CZ wearing one of these (not a short LW flight type jacket) he is in with a number of SS soldiers and may or may be SS himself.

                            Regardless there are other photos of these being worn by PZ soldiers, the HG photo in East Prussia being the most published.

                            I am 100% convinced that these sets have nothing at all to do with the NSKK......that connection is a red herring that made from a poor photo of a pre-war NSKK motorcycle rider in a very different "outfit".

                            I have found these sets from 3 different makers. The Heine ones are the most common in the US and I think that they were captured in bulk. The other makers were in Crailsheim and either Munster or Worms....I can not recall on that last one....but I am leaning that I recall Worms. Whichever it was it is the one that I have seen with the eagle M stamp in the leather and I may have seen 2 or 3 examples going back at least 30 years...the stamps were period for sure.

                            One myth posted is that all KM accepted leather uniforms bore the Eagle M stamp.....that is simply not true. I do know why some do and many others do not (I am talking about every type of KM leather clothing item here not just these wrap sets) but I suspect that it may have to do with the time period....meaning that a lot of 44 and 45 items that made it to the KM were not stamped.

                            The Heine sets are not dated. The other makers can be found dated mostly 1944 with some very very few dated 1943. My guess is that these style sets were designed and started to be made in late 1943 with most being made in 1944.

                            Impossible for me to say if they were designed for use by the KM or PZ or perhaps both....but some were for sure USED by both arms and I believe that the use was at least somewhat official and not just being picked up a random.

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                              #29
                              Hello guys,

                              I just posted this in another tread....


                              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=24740

                              Cheers,

                              Hans Kristian

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                                #30
                                Kriegsmarine U boat unknown leather jacket wrap

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