Named 1935 officers tunic general staff?

[jimjim91607]

I have had this tunic for many years.it is named to fr puckert f222 dated 11.7.35 the taylor is j radenmacher regensburg. I believe the owner was a colonel? He was a member of the general staff i have been told.the shoulder boards are bright red with a number 17 on them.there is a medal bar with it, but i am not sure if this is original with the tunic.he seems to have had a lot of medals.

I need the collar tabs to add to the uniform as they are missing.i picked up a nice breast eagle at the pomona show in los angeles last year.the tunic has a lot of damage and needs to be repaired any ideas who could do this?

I took the best picture close up, i could and i will try again later.

I will also post some pictures of another transport uniform i have had for about 20 years.

The artillary hat did not come with the uniform and is just for show.

Please give any comments or advice. Thanks again, stephen.

[jimjim91607]

the shoulder boards with17 on them.

one shoulder board is very bright and the other side is very dark and dirty?

[jimjim91607]

label inside the pocket

Here is the label in the inside pocket.

[jimjim91607]

Medal bar

Medal bar

[jimjim91607]

The back of the tunic

The back of the tunic

[Johnny R]

The base tunic is real, the Austrian awards and the bar IMO are not his and the artillery boards and numbers were added. He is in the Rangliste as a (E) officer with a Wehrbezirt command in 1939 and then was assigned to a Wehrkreise making Lt. Col in 1944. He was a Cavalry officier before he retired.

[jimjim91607]

Dear johnny r,
thank you for your reply and the information regarding fr.puckert 's service. Which website did you find this information? Should i then make the tunic a cavalry tunic? Where would i find collar tabs and shoulder boards for this any ideas?
Again thanks for all your valuable help.regards stephen.

[Johnny R]

The information is from the published officier lists in BOOKS, the strange small rectangular objects you may have seen people over 40 walking around with and staring at on occasion.

You need to research him to figure out how best to restore it. Given the time span of his service and the early date of the tunic there will be many options. I would not take the boards off until you do the research. They look like they are post War applied and do not make a lot of sense but the 17th Artillery was from the same Wehrkreis he served in. There may be some connection late War after he was promoted.

[PaulR]

The information is from the published officier lists in BOOKS, the strange small rectangular objects you may have seen people over 40 walking around with and staring at on occasion.

That is not very nice... Not all of us have access to all of the many different Rangliste pubs. I would have no idea where to find these books either.

I do agree with Johnny in that the boards are rather sloppily placed. I would be willing to bet that they were collector applied as well. Regimental numbers were not placed onto the shoulder boards late war. Is the cap named too?

[Johnny R]

That is not very nice... Not all of us have access to all of the many different Rangliste pubs. I would have no idea where to find these books either.

I do agree with Johnny in that the boards are rather sloppily placed. I would be willing to bet that they were collector applied as well. Regimental numbers were not placed onto the shoulder boards late war. Is the cap named too?

If you read my post more carefully you will see I am not speaking about the ranglisten themselves. I have always been more than ready to look up names for people and appreciate they are hard to find. I am lucky to have them. My post makes reference to the assumption that the information must be from the Web. Books are quickly (very sadly IMO) leaving the horizon for primary research. Most on-line sources are riddled with errors but are the new "truth". The original paper resources are still the best source for info and I try to get everyone I meet to rely on original primary sources as opposed to postings on websites.

[PaulR]

I hear what you are saying. I love the internet, but I am glad to have my books as well. There is no subsitute for the "printed word". LOL

That brings me to another point... it would be great if someone were to take copies of the original documents(uniformenmarktd and etc) and make books from them.

[jimjim91607]

Dear paul r and johnny r,

thank you for your further comments.you are absolutely right, i assumed that the info came from the internet. The internet has become the new source for information, the new world library on line.i wish that i owned reference books to access the same information but the problem is usualy the finding of these books not the cost of purchase. I will take the tunic to the show in pomona , los angeles in november and find what i need there. Again thanks johnny for the refernce book details and paul r for his defense of my earlier comments. Regards stephen.

[Johnny R]

You can find them for sale on ABE etc. they are "fairly" readily available, the 1944 list more so than the 1939, they just are very expensive.

[Laurence Strong]

Paul C over on GMIC had them for sale in .pdf and on disk as well as reprints.

ranglisteoncd@optonline.net

[Johnny R]

Towards wear of numbers, they were worn the entire War, regulations stated only that they could not be displayed openly and either had to be covered or could be removed and at other times not covered and worn openly etc. Many people decided not to wear them under this requirement. In early 1944 all unit numbers were required to be worn openly aside from during transportation through the home theater.