ID on shoulder boards

Can ya'll give me the proper branch/id on these em slip ons. The bottom image of the reverse shows the truer color.

[Johnny R]

The color would be flak or artillery based on what I am seeing.

Red piped Art. / Flak em. Army or LW? What kind of uniform for that color base? THANKS!
PS For a bit of explanation... I have a bit of a problem with color blindness. Brown / Red blends, etc. It isn't really a life problem until I try to figure out waffenfarbe! My kids are no help "Well, dad, the base is kinda a cream, tan sorta not white and the edge is red, maybe maroon, kinda not really brown."....oh well, teens, they answer everything like that!

[Johnny R]

I am not sure if they are real. I think these types are refered to as shirt boards. I know very little about LW stuff.

Sorry for the bad pics. I don't believe originality is a question with these.