Real Camo Sleeve Rank?

[sb98]

Hi,
Can you guys give me your opinion on this piece. It is unused.
Thanks,
Tim

[keifer kahn]

Hi Tim,
I had the oberfuhrer version of this insignia.(4 bars).
The copies of these are almost exact and have been reproduced by the original german companies.
The one difference is that the copies will definately glow.I also have that from the gentleman that had these produced for the american market.Check that first.
Originals wont glow.


The insignia looks correct in every area and is a match for mine except the rank difference.

[sb98]

Rank

Hi Keifer,

Thanks for the reply. Mine passes the "black light" test, so that's a good thing. I'm glad it looks like one you had. That's scarry the same company made them post war.

I haven't looked into them much but I seem to remember seeing some that had one piece of material containing the stripes as compared to seperately applied bars. And of course the printed version.

Any other comments from memebers?

Thanks for the help.
Tim

[Peter Wiking]

What about those that has both oakleafs AND cross bars embroidered to the wool cloth and not sewn to the cloth, as the one above ? Are those fakes ?

Peter Wiking

[CSP]

Here is an example that I always considered 100%. It has been around since before the collapse of the Soviet Union. Only difference I see is the shade of green.

Have heard that higher ranking officers could have had examples with everything embroidered on to the black cloth backing.

[CSP]

well...now there are some differences in the construction of the leaf serrations and the stems...as I look again.

[sb98]

Color difference

Hi Scott,

Thanks for posting your pic, it's really helpfull. Do your oakleaves have a little shine to them? The oakleaves on the few I've seen have been more like yours in color and shine. Mine is less shiny and looks like it's maybe cotton (not %100 sure). The leaves are definately different too. The construction looks similar enough but that wouldn't be hard to fake. I'm not sure what to think about this one.

Does anyone have any others they can post for comparison, good or repro?

Thanks,
Tim

[Peter Wiking]

Here are one of mine. I dont know if its original. Made on rough black wool.

http://home.broadpark.no/~pwikvi/images/rank_front.jpg
http://home.broadpark.no/~pwikvi/images/rank_back.jpg

Peter Wiking

[CSP]

Tim:
Yes...I guess you could say the green thread has a sheen to it. Regarding the shape of the oak leafs, photographs I can find tend to support my example - I am talking about th emost distinctive difference which I see as the lower serration on each leaf side near th estem not being a well defined and smooth serration lik ethe others, but more of a prong.

[Peter Wiking]

How about the one i posted ?

Thanks.
Peter Wiking

[CSP]

Peter:
I have never encountered this kind, so I do not know one way or the other. It conforms more closely to what I believe are war time examples, however, is still different in construction and materials. Sorry - that's the best I can give.

[sb98]

Light Green

Hi Keifer,

You mention having had an insignia similiar to mine and knowing of copies. Were either in the light green color of mine or the darker color green as in the other examples posted here? Any clues on the light green or leaf shapes?

Scott,
I agree that yours is similar to the few others I've seen in books. I don't have to many references for insignia that are that detailed but I'll dig through them and see what I can find.

Peter,
I don't know anything about what the copies look like but I like the look of yours. Want to trade? Just kidding. I'm sure I can find out more about mine and hopefully get a pretty good idea whether it's good or bad. Maybe some other posts here about genuine pieces and copies will answer your question too.

Thanks,
Tim