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    #46
    the back

    Here's the back! Translated:
    "The Land of Tyrol, the defenders of the fatherland 1914-1918".

    The same can be said of the Tyrol Volkssturm:
    "defenders (of this piece) of the Reich"!
    (Austrian-Italian border region)
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    Last edited by NickG; 01-15-2009, 12:31 AM.

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      #47
      Hello guys,

      Awesome collection Joe.
      But I disagree with you on this.
      During WWI the Tiroler Standschützen were actually formed by very old and very young classes, and most of them actually belonged to the traditional Tiroler Schützen paramilitary "units" (The civilian marksmen\selfdefence organization).
      I think the same happened during WWII: even if not directly connected with the Schützen, most of them were very likely recruited for the WWII Tiroler Standschützen.
      This is the reason why the Gauleiter Hofer refused to use the term Volkssturm, preferring the much more traditional Standschützen: this is the reason why amongst the WWII Standschützen there was a large number of WWI Standschützen vets, very likely former-Schützen.
      Most of the WWI military Standschützen (34+ years old men) and Landes\Kaiserschützen (between 20 and 32 years old men) men were actually, during the peace times, Schützen.
      So I would say that those kind of solid badges are actually related, even if not directly, to the WWII Standschuetzen.

      http://www.schuetzen.com/html/geschi...eschichte3.htm

      Best Regards

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        #48
        I thought so Nick. But I wanted to point out in this thread this difference. Some people surfing by for a quick education might draw the conclusion that the shooting badge was a Standschutzen Btl unit badge or something. Your WWI Standschutzen service medal is really nice and makes a great addition to the tunic. You can imagine some older gnarly Schutze with a beard and long pipe wearing it.

        Hi Tom. I agree that a member of the Standschutzen Btl could have been a participant in the Standschutzen Verband Tirol-Vorarlberg. I just wanted to point out the distinction. Yes, Hofer was an independent one regarding his Gau. Of course he was probably the farthest away from Berlin.
        Last edited by JoeW; 01-15-2009, 01:09 PM.

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          #49
          Hello Joe,

          I do agree with you even if I strongly suspect that the men for the WWII Standschuetzen Btl. were actully drafted directly from the civilian\paramilitary T.St.V. (of course I'm talking about old fellas since the young members of the T.St.V. were probably already at the frontline).

          By the way, I've never understood why is T.St.V. while the denomination is Standschuetzen Verband Tirol-Vorlarlberg.
          I have always thought that T.St.V. was the pre-war name for Tiroler Schuetzen Verband; have you got any period paper, mark or anything with the full name?

          And of course Hofer, along with Rainer, was one of the most indipendent ones.

          Best Regards
          Last edited by PBR; 01-15-2009, 10:46 AM.

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            #50
            Of course I do T.K. Included in Ingo Haarcke article Die Schiessauszeichnungen des Standschuetzenverband Tirol-Vorarlberg" in "Militaria" magazine 2/1997 were several photos of shooting cards from various yearly Landesschiessen. These are marked quite clearly Standschuetzenverbandes Tirol-Vorarlberg. Thus I interpret the T.St.V. found on the rifles and such as meaning Tirol Standschuetzenverbandes Vorarlberg.

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              #51
              Thanks Joe, I will look for that article.

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                #52
                Hello,

                This should be interesting for the guys here.
                A Tiroler Schuetzen from Signal.

                Best Regards
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                  #53
                  Hello everyone! Let me now congratulate for the good forum and I apologize for my English (I'm using Google translator)! My name is Simone and I write from Italy, I would like some advice on this badge. Thank you in advance and I greet you cordially!

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                    #54
                    Welcome to the forum. I see this is your first post (added to my thread on this subject)
                    Its an original Standschutzen supporting membership or donation pin
                    issued in 1944, not to be confused with Standschutzen Sshooting Prize pins (award pins). Its less valuable but still neat!

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                      #55
                      Thank you for your explanation and welcome!

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