DAK General der Panzer fieldblouse

[GD/LW]

Thanks Glenn. At least I don't go walking around this forum as the guy who knows everything (what can't be said from certain persons here).
Believe me, the fool and his money are not parted. The fool speaks of what he knows, maybe more than you, maybe less. Who'll know !

[Glenn McInnes]

Well I am glad that you are not the buyer (I was not making the "fool" reference meaning you). It sounds to me that you put too much blind faith in some of these dealers.

Where else but in the UK can you buy DAK Generals uniforms,exotic W-SS uniforms,GD assault gun jackets,exotic headgear etc,etc,do you really think they are all untouched period originals? Or put together and ground up fakes to satisfy the collector market?





Glenn

[Federico Perez]

Things are getting worse on this forum !! What are you all talking about ? Do you know what collecting is ? Do you know original from made up or false.
Do you EVER look at original pics or does all your knowledge comes from books of "collecting uniforms, collecting helmets, collecting ....". This tunic comes from "Last Reich" and is one of the best known dealers in the UK. What he sells is no **** at all, and shouldn't it for some reason not suits you, you can always return it. But don't worry about this DAK, it's already sold as you can see. And what about the HG tunic ? Ever heard of the order that they were obliged to take off the old cufftitle and replace it by the new style. You think they received in the mean time a new tunic ? In wartimes ? Look at pics and learn !

Jan:

I belive what everybody is saying is, that this type of tunic in this rank and from the Afrika Korps is an EXTREAMLY RARE piece and it will command a VERY HIGH price on the market. Is a type of item that should have a bulletproof provenance for the benefit of the seller and the buyer as much as it's historical importance, the Afrika campaing was/still is one of the most famous in historical terms and the soldiers,officers,generals involved as in the collectors interest for it's regalia.

As stated before this tunic is a regular enlisted men item with what appears to be all original general insignia, all of this in one package and for that branch/theater of operations will put this tunic in the double figures, with out a generals name or proof of war time use it could only be considered an item in the sum of all the parts as a separate items and that would not reach double digits price tag, like most of this original DAK tunics go for this days.

Federico

[GD/LW]

Hi Glenn and Federico,
I'm satisfied that the fool isn't me in your statement. It's not that I put a blind faith in UK dealers. Indeed most of them are croock, but this one (and his friend) I know very, very well. I know that when you buy an item from them it's for 90% OK. And if for some reason you're not satisfied you can always return it and it will be taken back with pleasure.
Now about the DAK. Indeed I have a great honour for the guys (and I say guys because I mean the German, Italian, British, Americans and all the other who fought there) who fought in that theatre. But I honour all the guys and ladies who suffered in the second and first WW.
I'm a collector of GD , HG , LW and RAF. And to be honest I realy don't agree with Federico. I own a LW General der Flieger tunic which is for 1000% correct but, believe me or not, no name. And yet I bought it from Weitze in Hamburg. A beautifull tunic. Sadly I can't show it as I'm not able to put pics on the forum. Just to say that not all Generals tunics are named and if they are you will pay a lot more. Hermann Historica sold 2 of Panzer generals in april with name. Beautifull pieces.

[Federico Perez]

Hi Glenn and Federico,
I'm satisfied that the fool isn't me in your statement. It's not that I put a blind faith in UK dealers. Indeed most of them are croock, but this one (and his friend) I know very, very well. I know that when you buy an item from them it's for 90% OK. And if for some reason you're not satisfied you can always return it and it will be taken back with pleasure.
Now about the DAK. Indeed I have a great honour for the guys (and I say guys because I mean the German, Italian, British, Americans and all the other who fought there) who fought in that theatre. But I honour all the guys and ladies who suffered in the second and first WW.
I'm a collector of GD , HG , LW and RAF. And to be honest I realy don't agree with Federico. I own a LW General der Flieger tunic which is for 1000% correct but, believe me or not, no name. And yet I bought it from Weitze in Hamburg. A beautifull tunic. Sadly I can't show it as I'm not able to put pics on the forum. Just to say that not all Generals tunics are named and if they are you will pay a lot more. Hermann Historica sold 2 of Panzer generals in april with name. Beautifull pieces.

Jan:

I have a Heer general and Luftwaffe captain tunic(flight), both without name but highly decorated officers by the loops(original to the tunics) for awards including the German Cross in gold or spanish cross, unfortunatly this detail of the name/provenance WILL affect the price of the piece, Is simply impossible to atribute who the highly decorated soldier was or if he achived the ultimate award...the Knight Cross, this are the details which make the piece more special and research of the original piece possible. The Original continental type tunics for generals in the Heer and Luftwaffe are more easy to find that DAK/tropical type ones. Theres also the case that some times the veteran or it's family remove the name tags so to protect his name and it's family. It's still a compleatly original piece BUT part of it's important historical importance is lost by this act.

Every collectors have their own rules to navigate the T.R. militaria field and have diferent opinions on what to buy,what to pay and what to look for in each piece he buys, and thats perfectly fine with me BUT again I can assure you a DAK general tropical tunic compleatly original and named WILL BE more expensive that the same type in "continental wool/cloth" because they are extreamly rare and Heer/Luftwaffe generals in Africa where not in the same numbers as in continental Europe, it's an historical fact and my personal opinion of course.

Federico

[Napalm]

Hi Glenn and Federico,
I'm satisfied that the fool isn't me in your statement. It's not that I put a blind faith in UK dealers. Indeed most of them are croock, but this one (and his friend) I know very, very well. I know that when you buy an item from them it's for 90% OK. And if for some reason you're not satisfied you can always return it and it will be taken back with pleasure.
Now about the DAK. Indeed I have a great honour for the guys (and I say guys because I mean the German, Italian, British, Americans and all the other who fought there) who fought in that theatre. But I honour all the guys and ladies who suffered in the second and first WW.
I'm a collector of GD , HG , LW and RAF. And to be honest I realy don't agree with Federico. I own a LW General der Flieger tunic which is for 1000% correct but, believe me or not, no name. And yet I bought it from Weitze in Hamburg. A beautifull tunic. Sadly I can't show it as I'm not able to put pics on the forum. Just to say that not all Generals tunics are named and if they are you will pay a lot more. Hermann Historica sold 2 of Panzer generals in april with name. Beautifull pieces.

You can post photo's on the forum, use imageshack or similair and welcome.onboard...

[Mark Gibson]

Things are getting worse on this forum !! What are you all talking about ? Do you know what collecting is ? Do you know original from made up or false.
Do you EVER look at original pics or does all your knowledge comes from books of "collecting uniforms, collecting helmets, collecting ....". This tunic comes from "Last Reich" and is one of the best known dealers in the UK. What he sells is no **** at all, and shouldn't it for some reason not suits you, you can always return it. But don't worry about this DAK, it's already sold as you can see. And what about the HG tunic ? Ever heard of the order that they were obliged to take off the old cufftitle and replace it by the new style. You think they received in the mean time a new tunic ? In wartimes ? Look at pics and learn !

Jan,
you are entitled to your opinion but just because a dealer is one of the best known dealers doesn't mean that they know exactly what they are selling or for that matter are selling 100% original items. You yourself have stated that when you buy an item from this dealer it is ok 90% of the time. That may be but this one falls into the 10% not ok.
Unfortunately this tunic has many issues, if it didn't I would have been one of the first to email him asking for a price then figuring out if I could afford it. I've only ever seen two 100% original tropical Generals tunics and they were unquestionably original. This one, as has been already discussed, just doesn't pass with many collectors who have a passion for DAK items and much experience handling many original pieces. I admit that I'm still learning and will continue to learn but I am confident enough to intensely question this piece, looking at the small details that would possibly be overlooked by someone who doesn't collect these items. We don't sit here on our computers looking for things to criticize. Most collectors here try to help others by making them aware of the good and bad points with a piece like this so that they can make their own decisions when it comes to spending very hard earned cash on what may be a questionable item.
Yes, it looks stunning but looks can be very deceiving.

Take care

Mark

[Bob Hritz]

So, it is proven that this was never a Heer general tropical tunic? I am just curious as how it was proven.

Bob Hritz

[Johnny R]

Bob, we can do a burn test on it with a arc welder, if it melts we will know it is bad. We could each keep one of the skulls and split the buttons.

[John Pic]

Im in agreement with those who believe this tunic is put together. Although my area is primarily continental style Waffen SS and Heer tunics. I also try and investigate how and why as Glenn says so many rare tunics surface in many of the same places. I get in trouble when I post what I do know and possibly blacklisted from ever buying anything from these people who do occaisionally get an item I have interest in.I also dont always agree with the people posting here all the time because no one is always right. But I would be alarmed by the appearance of such a tunic in the condition it is in.

I know of one Generals light weight field tunic named to a veteran of Barbarossa found in a G.I.s footlocker.It shows considerable wear and storage wear compaired to this one. Not unlike any real field worn Jr. officers or enlisted mans tunic.

[DonC]

Not commenting on this specific tunic at all, but with regards to "being careful out there", has anyone noticed the crazy prices that stripped officer tunics are going for on eBay.de? I am certain these are not being bought to restore to lowly Artillery or Infantry lieutenant's tunics.

Don

[Johnny R]

Not commenting on this specific tunic at all, but with regards to "being careful out there", has anyone noticed the crazy prices that stripped officer tunics are going for on eBay.de? I am certain these are not being bought to restore to lowly Artillery or Infantry lieutenant's tunics.

Don

I have been keeping images of all the tunics. I have noticed this over the last couple years. MANY of them are being bought by the same person.

[NTZ]

I have been keeping images of all the tunics. I have noticed this over the last couple years. MANY of them are being bought by the same person.

Me too

[TMurray]

[quote=jan laermans;2608128]Hi Glenn and Federico,
I'm satisfied that the fool isn't me in your statement. It's not that I put a blind faith in UK dealers. Indeed most of them are croock, but this one (and his friend) I know very, very well. I know that when you buy an item from them it's for 90% OK. And if for some reason you're not satisfied you can always return it and it will be taken back with pleasure.
Now about the DAK. Indeed I have a great honour for the guys (and I say guys because I mean the German, Italian, British, Americans and all the other who fought there) who fought in that theatre. But I honour all the guys and ladies who suffered in the second and first WW.
I'm a collector of GD , HG , LW and RAF. And to be honest I realy don't agree with Federico. I own a LW General der Flieger tunic which is for 1000% correct but, believe me or not, no name. And yet I bought it from Weitze in Hamburg. A beautifull tunic. Sadly I can't show it as I'm not able to put pics on the forum. Just to say that not all Generals tunics are named and if they are you will pay a lot more. Hermann Historica sold 2 of Panzer generals in april with name. Beautifull pieces.[/quote]

DANGER, Will Robinson!
I see a couple of red flags here!!! I'm pretty sure one of those HH pieces was a messed with coastal artillery tunic with Heer insignia.

[John Pic]

Ive never bought from this dealer but he trades with another who has had restorations done to tunics and then they are sold through others as "untouched". Sometimes the tunics are offered first under the table but the perspective buyers will email me for advice and the result has been some had added items. One now appears on another site with and honest assesment of it being restored partly but before it appeared in public it was offered as untouched to someone by another dealer, the photos different than those on the site were sent to me. There is nothing wrong with restoration but there is with monkeying with something and not being quite honest about it IMO maybe others feel different.I know I take alot of flak for revealing such things and am possibly blacklisted by three dealers because of this..but oh well,I care not I can spend money elsewhere.