Sutrmmartillerie wrap opinion needed

[panzer_erc]

Hello to all,
I have purchased recently this officer sturmmartillerie wrap.It was made in 1943 and the wrap is 100% original, IMO. But my doubts are the insignias. I think they are not replaced in wartime. The thread used to sew the insignias is very thin not a commonly used coarse cotton thread. And is very poorly attached. All insignias was reaplied, but I´m noy sure if post or wartime.
Please I need to know more opinions. Thanks to all in advance.
Eugenio R.

[panzer_erc]

Here you can see the marks of panzer collar tabs taked off in sometime

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shoulder boards

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wrong ....

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button

[Luca Ongaro]

Hello Eugenio, I am agree with you by these pictures and insignia seem to me post war added but no one better then you that you have a reputable knowledge and the wrap on hands can know it.
I'd like to see how the eagle is stitched too.
Luca

[B. N. Singer]

But my doubts are the insignias. I think they are not replaced in wartime. ...Please I need to know more opinions. Thanks to all in advance.
Eugenio R.

I think your assumptions are correct.

B. N. Singer

[Johnny R]

Tunic

The lining in the shoulder area has been cut open to remove the original boards. IMO The ones that are there now are (poorly) collector applied. I imagine the rest of the insignia will follow suit.

It can be restored correctly but pay what stripped tunic is worth not an unmodified oriignal. .

Your word "Wire" in English is refered to as Thread. Wire is like thread but is metal.

[panzer_erc]

The lining in the shoulder area has been cut open to remove the original boards. IMO The ones that are there now are (poorly) collector applied. I imagine the rest of the insignia will follow suit.

It can be restored correctly but pay what stripped tunic is worth not an unmodified oriignal. .

Your word "Wire" in English is refered to as Thread. Wire is like thread but is metal.

The problem is I payed as untouched original. The seller told me that he sewed the eagle, but only the eagle not all insignias.

Thanks for your correction.

[panzer_erc]

Hello Eugenio, I am agree with you by these pictures and insignia seem to me post war added but no one better then you that you have a reputable knowledge and the wrap on hands can know it.
I'd like to see how the eagle is stitched too.
Luca

Hi Luca,
the eagle was reapplied by the seller. But I´ll post a picture. Thanks
Eugenio R.

[Johnny R]

Boards

The problem is I payed as untouched original. The seller told me that he sewed the eagle, but only the eagle not all insignias.

Thanks for your correction.

He may not have sewed the boards in himself, maybe someone else did.

Whenever I see a lining opened like that it to me means the original boards have been cut out. IMO they would not be left open like that, the lining would have been sewn shut. They also would not be tacked on like that on the topp part of the boards, they would not hold in place during wear.

Send it back or ask for a partial refund to make up for the insignia. The tunic is very nice, someone just did a garbage job of replacing the insignia.

[B. N. Singer]

...Whenever I see a lining opened like that it to me means the original boards have been cut out. IMO they would not be left open like that, the lining would have been sewn shut....

This is Not Necessarily the case.

B. N. Singer

[Johnny R]

Exceptions to rules

This is Not Necessarily the case.

B. N. Singer

I think in this case it is more likely some one cut into the tunic to remove the original boards. I have issue tunics that have been opened up to facilitate sewing boards in but they have always been resewn shut. Tunics I have seen stripped usually look like this. I am infering that also by looking at how poorly the boards are attached. I also see some threads around the present boards that is a different color than the thread used to sew in the current boards. LW tunics often have the boards sewn down like this but with more than 4 threads. I guess you could argue it was opened when he was promoted to Major but I think in this case it is obvious what is going on. Sloppy refitting of insignia sewn on by a blind chimpanzee.

[B. N. Singer]

I think in this case it is more likely some one cut into the tunic to remove the original boards. I have issue tunics that have been opened up to facilitate sewing boards in but they have always been resewn shut....

There is no disagreement with this particular example; however I have experienced some very "sloppy" insignia attachment on wraparounds. And again, this is Not Always the case.

B. N. Singer