some small - dumb - questions...

Hello to all

Planning to set up a new mannequin, I would like to know following things :
I was wondering if, against regulations, the gasmaskcanister was worn in front by the soldier, how was it attached?

secondly, I know that you have 2 types of frogs, mounted and dismounted, which was prefered/used by infanterie units?

3rd question : was the zeltbahn sometimes attached to the d-rings ( just beneath the shoulders) of the Y-strap?

4th question : was the messtin also sometimes attached to the O-ring in the middle of the back of the Y-strap? I thought that I once saw a picture of this, but need confirmation

It would be great, if apart from explication, some members could post original photographes of these ways of fieldgear set-up

Thanks in advance for the help


Kind regards

Jan

[Michael Kuligowski]

Hello I will help as much as i can...

1) see pics - I'v seen this method on some oryginal pictures... but I am not sure is it a regulation style




2) what do You mean by "dismounted" "mounted" ??? you mean cavalry/infantry type ?? (with or without strap ??)

3) yes.. very often

4) I'v seen this photo as well.... but I don't think that was a common practice

Sincerely, Mike..
PS I will try to find out some oryg. photos

[Steiner]

The front way of carrying the gasmaskcanister was popular with dispatchriders (kradfahrer) It is very rare to see it on other soldiers but ... nothing is impossible though.

Mehr sein als scheinen

Thanks alot guys for the help

Mike, what I mean is that you have 2 types of frogs, one with the leather strap and one without, I would like to know if there were branches who recieved a specific type due to their specialty (gebirgsjäger, cavallerie, Pioniere,etc...)

I found 1 picture that shows the messtin attached to the O-ring of the Y-strap, some others pictures would be G-reat !

Steiner, yes I know it was done that way by dispatchriders. But regular inf troops did it also...check out this picture which I found to today...

Kind regards

Jan

...sorry for the bad quality ( scanner broken)

I found 1 picture that shows the messtin attached to the O-ring of the Y-strap.

Now, if somebady has a picture that shows the zeltbahn attached on the d-rings, please post it

[Patrick Dempsey]

Photo's.

Hi Jan,
as requested here are some shots of Zeltbahnen attached to the D-rings on Y straps.
As has been stated in earlier postings, this was a very common practice indeed, plus it has the added benefit of saving you money as you don't need an A-frame for each uniform

All the best ,

Patrick.

[Patrick Dempsey]

Another..

One more.

[Patrick Dempsey]

messkit and O -ring.

This is an interesting shot as it appears to show both items you are asking about attached to the Y-straps.

[Patrick Dempsey]

last one.

Here is a final shot showing members of the "GD" division wearing the Zeltbahn in this manner.

Regarding the Bayonet frog question, as i understand it, pre-war regulations had provision for two styles of frog. The first type (without the leather retaining strap) was general issue for all unmounted troops, with the model with the retaining strap issued to mounted/cavalry troops.However an order dated 25th January 1939 stated that ALL troops were to be issued with the "Cavalry" type frog,irrespective of their particular branch of service, and that all frogs without the restraining strap were to have one added. This was not enforced fully as is shown by the amount of frogs that exist without the strap

Patrick.

Thanks a lot for those very nice pictures, Patrick!

Everything is cleared out now regarding to the frogs, that was the info I needed...

plus it has the added benefit of saving you money as you don't need an A-frame for each uniform

You're so right!

cheers mate

[Michael Kuligowski]

Two more pics.. One showing zeltbahns.. (soldier on the right has zeltbahn attached to O ring with only one strap...)
And second picture showing gasmask canister .
Sincerely, Mike
Thanks Patrick for great pictures !!

great pictures too Mike, thanks again

cheers

Jan