Panzer denim HBT trousers

[Langemark]

Hello,

I am currently being offered this pair of mint Panzer HBT trousers. However, I am rather unfamiliar with this rare type of trousers and I didn’t find any detailed pictures or examples in collections to compare with. That’s why I would appreciate to get some information and have a discussion with collectors worldwide who are more knowledgeable on the subject or have similar trousers in their collection.

Most features are quite encouraging : correct silky-smooth HBT, correct weave, correct color, several different types of HBT fabric used in hidden places (pockets and slits), flawless construction, perfect shape, long and tall “Panzer” size, the web belt and the ankle tapes are textbook, interesting and infrequently seen is the late war RBNr beginning with a “9/xxxx/xxxx”.
At first sight, the fully identical light gray cotton twill lining (waistband, pockets and ankle reinforcements) looked suspect to me, but I must admit that it is not that uncommon on late-war trousers.
My main concerns go to the buttonholes that seem rather atypical in construction (however all do have the inner strengthening thread).

Many thanks for your replies and comments,

Mark

Anyway, I will let the pictures explain better all the details :
01 : Front upper part

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02 : Inside

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03 : Markings : RBNr 9/0350/0241, size, F44

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04 : Front pockets

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05 : Belt

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06 : Belt hook

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07 : Close up on buttonhole and HBT-weave

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08 : Ankle opening

[John Huff]

Just an observation and believe me, I have NO experience with this type trouser whatsoever... Are trouser sizes normally stamped with this many size numbers? Looks like a tunic sizing system.

[Langemark]

Just an observation and believe me, I have NO experience with this type trouser whatsoever... Are trouser sizes normally stamped with this many size numbers? Looks like a tunic sizing system.

From about 1943, the Germans simplified the size markings on their clothing by indicating the 'average height' of the soldier. That 'average height' was located in the middle or above the usual size markings. In the present case, the average height of the soldier was 184 cm.
Best,
Mark<O</O

[John Huff]

Thanks Mark! I learned something today!

[mayer]

Hi Mark,
thanks for posting this very rare paire of trouses, they looks very good to 100% from your photos!! i never found a paire like this in my life, but i got the jacket in mint conditions in HBT if you will sell this pant.....i'm here
Anthony

[Gerard/Relic Hunter]

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Hi,
WOW, I've had the jacket before, but...these are very nice. Want to sell them?

Gerard

[Langemark]

Anthony and Gerard, I appreciate your interest for these trousers. However, I apologize for possibly disappointing you, but it is really not my intention to use this thread as an E-Stand : I only and simply want to learn about the originality of this pair of HBT Panzer trousers.
Just like you, I had the opportunity several times to buy original HBT jackets but I never managed to find the matching pair of trousers. And yes, I agree, Panzer HBT trousers are very rare and that’s why I try to proceed with utmost care concerning this pair : note that, so far, I am personally still not fully convinced that the trousers I’m posting are original ! For comparison, I have already handled fake Panzer HBT trousers that were on first sight much more convincing than the ones I post here …

So, feel free to post your comments or pictures of examples in your collection,

Mark

[Soldat de Fer]

Hello

Could these be the new generation of French made fakes ?.
I would like to see a better picture of the weave ,both front and reverse.
That would help rest your mind.
Best Regards
Pierre-yves