camo

[germacollector]

Is this een original?
[img=http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/6149/bukse35tu.jpg][img=http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6615/bukse412ud.jpg]

[germacollector]

opinions please

[germacollector]

come on guys, help me out with this one

[ELECTRAFIXION]

Winters

come on guys, help me out with this one

They look fine to me for being standard winter non reversible rayon lined trousers.
Jeff

[germacollector]

more opinions are welcome

[Fsoq]

I like them , no problem.

[germacollector]

more reactions??
and what is a reasonable price for this item?

[Kevin V.]

more reactions??
and what is a reasonable price for this item?

What more can I say, original splinter winter trousers, value approx. 700 euro!!!

[germacollector]

more people who can say something about this trouser?
and thanks for the reactions so far.

[Adrian Stevenson]

Like everyone else has already said, good original winter trousers. There is nothing more to say.

Cheers, Ade.

[germacollector]

Ok thanks for your reactions.
And the reason that i want as many reactions as possible is that i can't say which persons are really into this stuff and which not.
But thanks

[germacollector]

and how do you judge this is an original.
what is the difference for example with a worn fake? (a better fake )

[Adrian Stevenson]

There are several different makers of reproduction winter jackets and trousers. None are really made to deceive. They are made for re-enactors. (I am a re-enactor myself)

Originals are made with a rayon mixture to the material. Fakes are not.The fakers have yet to perfect the rayon lining of these trousers. I have not looked, but I am not even sure if this pattern of inlined non reversable trousers are even being copied?

Originals are much heavier in weight than the copies. The wool waste material used is different.

Here are some links to sellers of copies:

http://pacificcoast.net/~gmax/index.htm

http://www.1944militaria.com/

http://www.stby.com/bbm/heeruni.htm

Hope this helps?

Cheers, Ade.

[Scott A. Hess]

Adrian is right on the money. The re enactors want the reversible to white version for obvious reasons, and no credible attempt that I have seen has been made to reproduce the non reversible version. I think 700 is overpriced for a pair, I have a mint unissued..large size..obtained not in the all too distant past for 450 US. A mint reversible pair may fetch 700 euro. Otherpoints to look at are of course the buttons, any markings, the draw strings at the cuff of the leg, tightening closure at the back, whether or not wood pegs or not were used, and of course, nice finish details that are present in garmets made for real combat during the war which are missing in reenactor items as they overlook them and are not made 100 correctly. The Jackets are a bit tougher to find..but out there. A fairly mint example reversible went on the estand recently for 1200 US I believe..

[werner p.]

your trousers are ok as far as I can see from the pictures.
Even the buttons are OK ! I have seen about a dozendifferent buttons on winter uniforms.. all OK
Value will be around 600 $ I guess since the condition is not Mint

Werner