Water Pattern Luft Smock

[John Huff]

Can anyone give me some info about a Luft Camo Smock in water or rain pattern? I usually only see the splinter pattern. Was there such a thing? Is it indicative of late war? Was it only in HBT or canvas too? Thanks!

[Glenn McInnes]

To my knowledge all Luft ground smocks were only manufactured in Splinter pattern. Luft jump smocks were of course manufactured in Tan/water.


Glenn

[djpool]

Hi the LWFD smocks were also made in the Marsh pattern. I've seen a couple of them over the years.Pretty rare birds. bill Shea has one for sale here:

http://www.therupturedduck.com/WebPa...forms/u097.htm

WR Jim

[Glenn McInnes]

Right you are Jim. I must have been thinking of helmet covers.....Hard weekend

I think The Collectors Guild has a tan/water ground smock as well.


Glenn

[Willi Z.]

Yes, they are considered to be late war and have been encountered in cotton only. Unlike splinter jackets which were made both in HBT and cotton.

The one on Bill's site appears to have never had an eagle. That is something I have seen only a few times, and only on the water pattern examples. Most that I have encountered, including the few I have owned (still have 1 example), have had eagles on them.

The absence of eagles on some of these is interesting. It does not mean they had them and they were removed. It appears that some never had them from the factory.

[John Huff]

Thanks for the help. I just bought one from the vet's family and I had read that the snaps at the wrist indicated an early or transitional feature while that camo pattern was late. This one is almost a duplicate to Bill Shea's ( a tad bit more "salt"). One thing of interest, the family stated that they removed the breast eagle when they got it -- looking through a glass, I can find no trace whatsoever that one was there. Perhaps the "eagle-less" examples seen didn't start out that way...

[Steiner]

What about this one: http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Luftw...os/L00951.html

[Willi Z.]

What about this one: http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Luftw...os/L00951.html

That one is also original. And even with the replaced eagle it is not a bad price today.

John, would love to see where the eagle was..both front and back. Snaps are found on the late issue water pattern jackets. Either is acceptable for splinter jackets.

[paul.j]

Yes, they are considered to be late war and have been encountered in cotton only. Unlike splinter jackets which were made both in HBT and cotton.

The one on Bill's site appears to have never had an eagle. That is something I have seen only a few times, and only on the water pattern examples. Most that I have encountered, including the few I have owned (still have 1 example), have had eagles on them.

The absence of eagles on some of these is interesting. It does not mean they had them and they were removed. It appears that some never had them from the factory.

G'day all,
I have a splinter one myself that appears to have never had an eagle applied.I had shown pics of it to Mike Beaver and he had said it was okay,so I guess some of the splinter also never had them factory applied?
Cheers,Paul.

[billbert]

Thank all the hunters for the volume of CAMO brought home...Billbert

[John Huff]

Pictures of where the eagle was...

[John Huff]

closer.........

[John Huff]

Inside....even held up to a light, I see no evidence of stitch holes.

[John Hodgin]

Hi John,

I have also encountered smocks that had eagles removed from them by hunters. In several cases there was no trace of the eagle having been there. This is unusual, but not impossible, depending on how well the eagle was originally sewn on, how long it was worn with the eagle, etc..

Still, from your photo I think I can see traces of it's application.

T/W field division jackets are scarce, good piece!
Regards,
John

[John Huff]

Wow! Good eye... there is a tiny snag there. Thanks!