M36, M40, M 42, M43??

[Tommy]

Hello

I saw here that someone problems with the cut from different Uniforms.How M42 and M43.I think we post the differents cut.

Here as example a M43 Tunic.

[Volkbert]

m41

Tommy-- I saw that Weitze has M41 tunics for sale. Is that a known type?

From my reference book(John Angolia and Adolf Schlicht) I only know M36/39, M40, M43 and M44.

[Tommy]

Yep this is the problem and i hope with this thread that everyone see the different types of the WH cut.

My opinion it gives a M41. Why see the different Collar colour.
At M41,M42,M43,M44,M45? there was no dar green collar.
At M36,M40 there was dark green collar.By the M36 was the pockets how by the reichswehr.

M36

http://www.ww-2militaria.com/b/catemp/pzjag/pzjag1.jpg


M40

https://www.weitze.net/onload/fotos/22292.jpg


This is a M41.

https://www.weitze.net/onload/fotos/26043.jpg

This is a M42

https://www.weitze.net/onload/fotos/23587.jpg

M43

https://www.weitze.net/onload/fotos/4844.jpg

For more infos or help please response.

[DaveK]

I thought the M-40 is the M-36 pattern with the plain green collar and the M-41 was an Afrika jacket?

[Albert]

Hi All,

Having collected tunics, with a great focus on issue pieces, for quite some time I can share my observations.

The M designations are not a German system of classifying the various types of tunics. They were introduced aftre the war by anglo-saxon literature, and have established themleves as an aid to the collector and scientist. To the Germans there were changes, alterations, modifications which, by the way did not happen over night or over the New Year Eve.

I have talked about this already but will do it again:

Most importantly, you cannot compare apples and oranges. Your M36 is an Officer's private purchase piece, and thus disqualified as a sample under the premise that we talk about issue tunics. Officers tunics were styled after the issue tunics but always a bit fancier.

The tunic you call the M 40 is actualy the classic M36 which was produced into the early fourties. For details see my previous post.

The one you call the M41 is a the classic M40. For details see my previous post.

The M42 and the M43 you show are identical. For details see my previous post but here are also some remarks. The M40 tunic began to be modifyied in 42. The major features of its succesors were the dropped pleats and the simplification of the internal hook support system; the chanels dissapeared and four cloth provisions were added. These tunics had both styles of pocket flaps: curved and straight. So they were labeled the M42, curved flaps, and M 43, straight flaps.

The M 44 is no longer a tunic that follows the traditional German design. It is styled after the Brittish BD jacket and is an alibi piece of history for the Bundeswehr It was the Wehrmacht itself that began abandoning German uniform traditions.

Now, I have no idea what an M41, or an 45 could be design wise. What I can imagine having studied thousands of Weitze's uniform offers is that he goes by the issue marks. A perfectly acceptable way to exactly date a tunic, but not to classify it by style which is interesting to collectors.

Best regards,
Al

[Volkbert]

I want to add that sellers refer to the M36 as M36/M39 sometimes.

[Perry Floyd]

I think the issue of the M45 was brought up once before. The consenses was there was no such model45 tunic. Really a M44 with more corners cut to hasten manufacture.