What is this hbt jacket? Help please

[NCO]

Hi Guys,

I have had this HBT jacket for some time and would like to know if WW2 German or other country.
Its a four button front, with two lower angled pockets, the two top had been removed.
It came together with third reich pebble buttons including the s-ring closures.
There is no markings but interesting from a construction point of view and fabric.

Would love to hear your thoughts if known exactly what this could be.

Many thanks in advance.
Cheers
NCO

[GAMS1]

German WW2 HBT jacket for the KM IMO , missing the 2 breast pockets .
Nick

[NCO]

Hi Nick,

Thanks for your assessment, I'm pleased to hear its a WW2 German jacket, and KM even better.

It was one jacket sitting around for approx 17 years I never thought much off.
Its certainly nice to know now what it could be.

cheers
NCO

[NCO]

Hbt tunic

German WW2 HBT jacket for the KM IMO , missing the 2 breast pockets .
Nick

Hi Nick,

I wanted to bring this up after having a search on this Forum and discovering a thread from another member back in 2014 and with a very similar tunic in many ways as the one I posted.
Also to get your thoughts once more and if a possibility to be what you mentioned back then as an SD summer tunic that you also had coming to you an SS-VT 4 button cut but with cuffs.
My one has no cuffs but you could swear its got many similarities. I even went looking in the exact spot as the 2014 for marking and found them there and very faint, but you can clearly see.
When your tunic arrived did it have the eyelets for the buttons to attach to the S rings?
Any chance of posting to compare if you still have it.

Here is the 2014 thread for comparing to mine.
I have also added more photos in comparison to the 2014 thread, mine is on the left of course.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...CGtdcpk55EQn4g

What’s similar
1:It’s a HBT tunic and same in weave and colour.
2:It has a four-button front.
3:It has two bottom angled pockets.
4:It has an exact type of lining in exact same areas.
5:There is markings in an exact identical spot as 2014 tunic.
6:The button holes look exact construction and finishing.
7:No signs of any breast or sleeve eagle insignia.
8:Upper Collar and lapel areas almost identical in size.
9:No eye hook to very top.

What’s not similar
1:2014 tunic has French cuffs, however mine could have been shortened, hard to tell.
2:2014 tunic buttons appear to be stitched onto fabric directly , no sewn eyelets.
3:Obviously my tunic has two upper pockets missing, but similar in shape and size.

Erikq also mentioned the 2014 tunic had characteristics of SD or pre-war SS-VT ( m37 ).
Disco Partisan mentioned it to be looking like an early SS model.

NickG mentioned it to be a KM alongside with derka but unsure.

I have decided to take some better pictures for comparison to the 2014 thread pics next to each other and in same position for review and thoughts as this may have more traits to SD than KM in my opinion.
Can we see a KM example of this 4 button type of tunic to compare.

I’m not trying to make it an SD tunic but it has raised some thoughts for discussion IMO and interesting points to be honest that coinside with your assessment on the 2014 thread.
I am really thinking its like the 2014 tunic posted by Grants Mil in more ways than not.
What are your thoughts?
cheers
NCO

[Martin Simon]

Hi Jim,
KM Coastal hbt tunics, unlike their wool counterparts, do not have the lower pockets internal like on your example.
I have several KM coastal hbt tunics and all have their lower pockets sewn on externally, just like on heer tunics.
So pretty sure what it's not, but cant really say what it is though.
Cheers from Adelaide,
Martin

[NCO]

Hbt drill fatigue jacket

Hi Martin,

Thats exactly what I thought also regarding KM tunics they are like Heer, which is why I have added to the thread with more detailed pics for comparison.

I am thinking its early and SD or SS-VT summer jacket ( drill fatigue ) that never had any insignia as you would expect.

Here is a pic from Beaver's Uniforms of the Waffen SS series , although having piping around the collar it clearly shows the following with many similarities and a variation.

1:A drill fatigue jacket not drill blouse.

2:No cuffs , straight cut selves on the right soldier, although text book does state turned back French cuffs for drill blouse and there is examples drill fatigues showing French cuffs also.

3:Angled bottom pockets in proportion to thread example started. The scollop flap to lower pockets shows button almost to edge as thread example.

4:You can clearly see the horizontal stitching above the top pockets of where behind the liner sits, similar to thread starter.

5:Most probably no eyelets for belt hooks or else they would be shown in both soldiers. This is a trait for drill fatigue and not drill blouse which has the belt hook eyelets. Look like their belts are tightly fastened around their waists.

6:These jackets also double up as summer jackets being light during hot climates, clearly they don’t wear much underneath from the pic shown.

cheers
NCO

[GAMS1]

Hi Jim,
KM Coastal hbt tunics, unlike their wool counterparts, do not have the lower pockets internal like on your example.
I have several KM coastal hbt tunics and all have their lower pockets sewn on externally, just like on heer tunics.
So pretty sure what it's not, but cant really say what it is though.
Cheers from Adelaide,
Martin

The KM summer jackets made first prewar in Moleskine and then in HBT do have the 2 lower pockets inside ...but with a closed collar in the front , not opened .
As said privately , we see a SD jacket a bit adapted postwar with ablation of the cuffs and of the breast pockets !
Nick