Hi Paul, I was wondering if someone was going to say something about my lame attempt at humor. Excellent.
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Tunic looks great. I certainly don't see any problems. Always a possibility the insignia may not be original to the tunic, since many were stripped before heading west. jimComment
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I'm also of the belief that the tunic is a good one.Comment
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Excellent tunic!Comment
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No worries about the uniform.
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Hi VO,
Just to clarify, the stamp is for LenFilm; based in Leningrad they had huge reserves of uniforms ( German and Soviet); gone now though!.
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Almost all of these coming from such studios are good I think. They have so many, there is no need to fake. The theater/museum stampings generally run down the collectibility a bit and thus, the price/value, but they are still wonderful pieces of history and nice additions to a collection. From the pictures, it is hard to say the insignia is original to the uniform or not...many of these do have some replaced insignia...but it all looks original.CSP
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I am sorry, but I see lots of concerns with this wrapper. When I see an "one look" original, it is really obvious. Like these:
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.net/foru...d.php?t=100042
http://www.wehrmacht-awards.net/foru...d.php?t=101903
The one that is the topic of this thread bothers me. Lots of "concerns". Not saying it is not original though. Panzer wraps are not my area of expertise, but I know when I see one that looks right. This one does not look right to me.
They have been adding these Russian movie industry stamps to complete fake wraps for the last ten years. Sure, there were some original with movie industry stamps that are compeletly legit. I saw them when they were first found in the 1991 timeframe. Did this movie company only make Panzer movies? Did they only have Panzer wraps in their inventory? These things are all over the market. Where are all the standard Heer uniforms with these stamps?
Though I am certainly bothered by the straps and tabs, it goes further for me. The lining, the markings, the construction features.
Not trying to rain on the parade here, but these things can not be authenticated by the Russian movie industry stamps.
I have seen fake Panzer wraps that were 95% correct...... These wraps are by far much easier to make than most WWII tunics. And the tabs are very easily faked too.Willi
Preußens Gloria!
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I still think the basic uniform is an original, but I suspect played with for sale on the collector market, adding a mixture of mostly good stuff...perhaps all good (straps are a bit off).
Willi, your point about the markings being post-1991 added to uniforms that are otherwise fakes to make them look like post-1991 originals from pre Soviet stores (how diabolical
) has to be considered as possible.
My experience is that the markings shown on this example are very typical...in fact, pretty much exactly what I had on one I obtained from George Peterson in 1991-2 (but no longer have excpet pictures somewhere...I'll check). Back in those days I spent a good deal of time with George and have seen his color pictures of himself standing in front of two-tiered racks of such wraps (I cannot recall of a museum or theatrical company, but I think a musuem). He admits some had all insignia, some had some and some had one...and he sold the best immediately and teh not so best in his store...as what they were: replaced original insignia. No doubt many others have followed him to the sources over the decade +.
I think the one in this thread has replaced shoulder strap buttons - and incorrect ones at that - and the shoulder straps themselves do look unusual. The early white breast eagle is original as far as I can tell and may very likely be replaced...perhaps by George, as he did a lot of this (tabs and straps as well) as I pawed through his insignia drawers several times back by his office wanting some loose insignia he would not sell, since he was saving it for such Russian bring backs. Beyond George's stories and my own experience related to the same, I do not know much at all about current century practices/malpractices. I must agree that the nefaroiusness is probably extensive
today.
However, the cloth, construction, the remaining buttons, attachment methods and thread, lining material (rayon), and markings (especially) are textbook for me.CSP
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Here's a LenFilm stamp on a Heer Infantry NCO Waffen rock that I have. I've seen this stamp on several different types of tunics, not just Panzer wraps.
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This tunic is almost a dead ringer for one George Peterson brought back from Russia for me during the 90s. Mine was completely stripped of insignia. It had movie stamps but can't remember what they look like anymore (I sold the tunic several years ago). Willi is right that even movie stamps have been added to reproductions. However everything on this one- cloth, lining material (it appears to be the gold colored lining which I can't recall being used in repros), size stamps and construction seem right to me.As far as insignia goes I just assume most of the ones that came from Russia had replaced insignia. JimComment
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Not to worry, the tunic itself is original. I do own two Heer jackets (textbook) with similar markings.Comment
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