PZ wrapper ananomly

[Texasuberalles]

45 years ago a collector in Waco, Tx, turned 3 complete Pz wrappers that were brand new. Tunic and trousers. Absolutely brand new.
They did not have collar tabs or fittings for shoulder boards. They simply had the pink piping sewed on the tunic where the tabs and boards would have been.
This is the first pic I've seen with what looks like on of these ensembles being worn.

[Johnny R]

When uniforms were issued they often did not have insignia. You see this also with SS soldiers aside from the sleeve eagle and rune patch or no collar patches at all. Most these pictures were in my opinion taken some after they were issued uniforms as their first service photos. Sometimes these appear in Soldbuchs also with no collar insingia on Heer uniforms also.

[Texasuberalles]

The wrappers all had the eagle and swaz applied.

[OSS]

The Panzermann in your photo is wearing a first pattern panzer wrap with it's factory applied separate collar tabs, collar piping and sewn down shoulder straps (all piped in wool).

[Texasuberalles]

The 3 wrappers I saw did not have anything 'sewn down'.
It was just the piping ONLY. That is what was so strange about them.

[phild]

I agree with OSS that photo appears to show a so-called 1st pattern with piped collar, sewn down straps (no shoulder seam visible down center of strap) and collar tabs sans skulls.
I have seen a number of late war wraps with Russia braid used in lieu of tabs and I think one or two with the same done for shoulder straps.

[OSS]

The 3 wrappers I saw did not have anything 'sewn down'.
It was just the piping ONLY. That is what was so strange about them.

Virtual Grenadier currently has a '45 dated Panzer wrap with Russia braid (piping) sewn directly to the collar and shoulders (fashioned like collar tabs and shoulder straps). The ones you saw may have been like that one.

[Texasuberalles]

Like I said it was 45 years ago but I remember remarking and others at the same time observing it was piping ONLY.

[OSS]

Like I said it was 45 years ago but I remember remarking and others at the same time observing it was piping ONLY.

https://www.virtualgrenadier.com/sale_item.php?iid=6057

I believe I understand you, here is the wrapper I was referring to:

[OSS]

Having looked again, the VG straps may involve a separate piece of material (though with Russia braid instead of normal piping) yet the tabs are piping ONLY.

[Texasuberalles]

What I recall is just a single row of piping on the wrapper, no provision for the shoulder boards or their buttons, just the piping.
No 'double' braid on the tabs and, as I recall, the eagle was sewed on in a triangle pattern.
All 3 were identical.

[phild]

I’m a little fuzzy as to if I have seen that technique for faux straps or not despite my previous post stating that I had, I’m getting old. I do not doubt you either way. On the tab-less late ones that I have handled and that has been a good number, I do know that at least one had one of the shoulder seams sewn with the overlap reversed as to what is standard on German contract jackets and it was only done that way on one shoulder so a bad day at the factory I guess.

Most of the faux tab wraps that I have seen were 44 dated with maybe one or two bearing 45 dates.

The overwhelming majority of actual field type German uniforms that I have encountered as vet bring backs were unissued. I’d say informally this is over 90%. What relatively little for sure field worn uniform items I have seen (this does not include cloth caps) came out of Germany well after the war.

[Waffenreich]

This picture has a few strange things about it.

He's clearly wearing a 1st pattern Wrap with sew-in straps correct for the design/period, but no skulls on the tabs, AND an M-42 cap??? So the pic must have been taken in late '42, early '43

Great pic that reinforces the fact that in the period 1933 - 1945 anything was possible and when looking at items that come into the hands of collectors provenance is paramount.

vr

Bob

[Texasuberalles]

I defer to those with more knowledge than mine - which is just about all
of you.

Joe

[Waffenreich]

I defer to those with more knowledge than mine - which is just about all
of you.

Joe

Joe,

Notwithstanding my previous post, I have seen late war wraps with soutache sewn directly to the collar in the rhomboid shape to make a faux tab, but never on the shoulder to replicate the straps. The pic shown to start the Thread bears none of these characteristics.

vr

Bob